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Re:System Down: A systemd-journald exploit by chousuke on Thursday January 10, 2019 @01:35PM (#18876546)
This attack doesn't touch the init system's attack surface though. It breaks journald, which is a separate program that you don't even have to run (syslog daemons still work)

Calling this a bug in the init system is like assigning fault for bugs in eg. rsyslog to sysvinit

Re:System Down: A systemd-journald exploit by insertcredit on Thursday January 10, 2019 @02:22PM (#18877095)
This is disingenuous, systemd-journald is the default in every systemd-using distribution I am aware of. The philosophy of systemd is all about tight coupling and forcing its singular vision on end users. When that vision falls apart you can not claim it is not really a systemd problem because in theory you could have gone out of your way and done something that is not encouraged.
Re:System Down: A systemd-journald exploit by gmueckl on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:03PM (#18880683)
No, you cannot run systemd without journald. Journald can forward messages to another syslog implementation. Its launch is even hardcoded into systemd very early in the boot process IIRC. The intent is to capture early log messages in memory inside journald before a writable /var is available.
Re:System Down: A systemd-journald exploit by _emacsomancer_ on Thursday January 10, 2019 @03:03PM (#18877520)
But you know that my post is a criticism of the systemd ecosystem, or, more specifically, its status as the de facto. All my systems that run systemd run journald; all of my systems that run journald run systemd. Because those are the choices the distro devs made. My systems which don't run systemd are immune to these vulnerabilities.