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Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by chuck- on Thursday January 10, 2019 @06:58AM (#18873230)
If Bill Gates weren’t from such a wealthy family it is likely he wouldn’t have ever attended Harvard. Grooming for Harvard and the ilk start up from an early age. It is also likely no one would know who he is today as well. He might had been that genius principle engineer that would have went on to do absolutely amazing work, but not one to start or lead a company.

Imagine how many potential Bill Gates are majoring in CS from average to good state universities that have the potential to do so much more in academia and industry, but come from poor families/no one to help them. You’ll probably never hear of them/know they exist.

Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by aquadrop on Thursday January 10, 2019 @09:35AM (#18874065)
I think that's questionable and downplays his abilities. He won National Merit Scholarship. He scored 1590 out of 1600 in SAT. He had a profitable business running when he was still in school automating some traffic calculations, and he was actually hiring his classmates. You don't see that often. And I think one more important thing happened - he met very bright Paul Allen and together they were very powerful duo. Of course having wealthy family helped not to care about some stuff, but it wasn't just luck.
Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by chuck- on Thursday January 10, 2019 @09:42AM (#18874112)
>I think that's questionable and downplays his abilities. He won National Merit Scholarship. He scored 1590 out of 1600 in SAT.

I think you underestimate how much a proper background can help you in terms of admissions to elite schools. I know someone that scored a 1600 out of a 1600 on their SAT, but came from more of a modest background than Bill. They were denied from Harvard. Harvard receives plently of high SAT scoring, high achieving applicants. Smart people from poor backgrounds have a lot more to overcome in life to get to the same point as others with more resources. A head start with a secure background can make a large difference later in life. I'm sure if my friend didn't go to one of the worst high schools in the state, and went to a better STEM school, they could have been admitted to Harvard. Who knows how that would have changed their life for the better. Now we will never know.

Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by agent008t on Thursday January 10, 2019 @11:12AM (#18874887)
Don't know about Harvard, but I interviewed people for admissions into Oxford CS. If anything, poor background would help you - while we all try to be as objective as possible, if anything we would cut you a bit more slack if you came from a poor background.

In this day and age, I would argue that access to education is actually nearly ubiquitous when it comes to STEM. Lack of encouragement/emphasis on education from parents and the rest of the social circle is a much bigger problem. That, and smart poor kids just don't apply, because they wrongly think they don't stand a chance.

Arguably, a smart kid growing up in a poor family, but with parents that put great emphasis on education, has an advantage over a rich kid - the rich kid is unlikely to have the same kind of drive to succeed.

Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by chuck- on Thursday January 10, 2019 @12:12PM (#18875603)
This is excellent news. Great to hear this.
Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by rjf72 on Thursday January 10, 2019 @12:54PM (#18876121)
You're conflating "proper background" with legacy and they are very different things. Harvard (and most/all other Ivy League institutions) dramatically lower the standards of enrollment for legacy applicants. In other words people whose father or mother went to Harvard. This is not how Bill Gates got in. His father went to the University of Washington on the G.I. Bill.

A "proper background", outside of legacy, is generally a negative thing when applying to elite institutions as applicants from 'improper backgrounds' will receive bonus points on their applicant score. All other things being equal the guy who went to Bodunk High is generally going to have a better admittance score better than the guy who went Carnegie College Preparatory Academy.

The one issue of course is that all other things are often not equal. The guy who went to our imaginary prep school is probably going to have had greater resources to enable his endeavors and often a better family life at home. And that's why the guy from Bodunk High is given a boost on his score.

And in my opinion, having been somebody who came from a poor background and was able to go to a top tier university, I don't think it really makes much of a difference. The crazy high overachievers who go on to become the Bill Gates didn't achieve that because of Harvard, and obviously in Bill Gates case as he dropped out - he would have done phenomenal whether he went to Harvard or Party U. It's a similar story with people like Michael Dell. He came from an upper middle class family but nonetheless worked jobs ranging from dish washer to telemarketer. In college at UT he started what would become Dell literally from his dorm room. He would drop out his freshman year once it became clear the business was viable.

Elite universities just have this sort of win-win feedback scenario going for them. They attract all these sorts of individuals and then get to implicitly take some credit for their achievements, which then affirms the university's elite status. Meh. I would fully agree though that if your ambition is just to go send out resumes and gradually work your way up for other people, then an elite university degree would help you eventually end up with a somewhat nicer white picket fence than somebody who went to a less premier institution. But these are not the sort of people we're talking about.

Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by TremendousJudge on Thursday January 10, 2019 @09:44AM (#18874134)
Yes, there's no doubt that he was very skillful. The point the other commenters are making is that that isn't everything
Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by gshack on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:39AM (#18874578)
Bill gates himself admitted on Reddit that without his parent's wealth, he probably wont be doing what he would be doing without the proper education foundation provided to him.
Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by aquadrop on Thursday January 10, 2019 @11:04AM (#18874817)
Yes, the point I'm making is wealth of parents also isn't everything. Bill Gates was an outlier on his own.
Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by imtringued on Thursday January 10, 2019 @07:23AM (#18873338)
>He might had been that genius principle engineer that would have went on to do absolutely amazing work, but not one to start or lead a company.

Exactly! Bill Gates success is tied to much more mundane things like sales strategies and close business relations to major businesses like IBM (thanks to his mother) to the point that Bill Gates decided that he'd be better off just getting contracts at any cost even if it means over-promising and in the end buying software from Tim Paterson and merely ported it over to whatever IBM was selling at the time.

"poor" people go to university. Rich people take advantage of their connections.

Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by masklinn on Thursday January 10, 2019 @07:01AM (#18873252)
> If Bill Gates weren’t from such a wealthy family it is likely he wouldn’t have ever attended Harvard.

If Bill Gates weren't from such a well-connected family, it is also likely Microsoft wouldn't have been selected to develop the OS for the IBM PC.

Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by david927 on Thursday January 10, 2019 @07:18AM (#18873313)
genius principle engineer

He was never considered an especially talented developer. He bought the OS that was used for the IBM PC.

Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by chuck- on Thursday January 10, 2019 @07:55AM (#18873478)
I was referring more to potential, as opposed to what he actually did in software development. Per stories from Harvard, he had some mathematical talent. With talent like that he could have essentially pursued whatever intellectual pursuit he wanted and have obtained results in it. Whether that be software development, mathematics, running a business etc. My point is there are others out there like him, we likely won’t know about them because they aren’t from such affluent families.
Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by C1sc0cat on Thursday January 10, 2019 @07:09AM (#18873284)
I suspect Digital research Blowing off IBM had more to do with it
Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by masklinn on Thursday January 10, 2019 @07:30AM (#18873363)
That had to do with CP/M not being the standard/mainline OS for the IBM PC (and even then, CP/M was supported but released 6 months after DOS and for 6 times the price), it didn't have to do with IBM selecting Microsoft as their OS developer / vendor, especially since microsoft didn't even have an OS when they were selected.
Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by throwaway5393 on Thursday January 10, 2019 @09:03AM (#18873849)
I find this line of thinking interesting and wonder if it can apply to other areas?

For example, if Lebron James wasn't born with such great genetics, it's likely he wouldn't have been a "once in a generation" NBA superstar, and instead just a really good rec league player.

Or, if Marilyn Monroe wasn't so attractive, it's likely she wouldn't have been a cultural icon, and instead just an average D-list actress.

Re:The richest families in Florence in 1427 are still the ri... by lmm on Thursday January 10, 2019 @09:23AM (#18873993)
The implicit assumption in the grandparent post is that it's good for society if the most gifted basketball players play in the NBA, the most attractive people act in the best movies, and the most talented engineers lead the top companies. Of course personal talent is a question of luck just as much as parental wealth - a meritocracy will not allocate the top places to those with the most worthy souls any more than a nepotocracy does - but more nepotistic societies are less efficient overall in a way that makes life worse for everyone there than more merit-based ones.