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Re:Lies We Tell Kids by pg on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @10:53AM (#188581)
I mean post-war neighborhoods of tract houses build on spec by developers. I don't mean places that are merely geographically suburban, in the sense that they're less densely settled areas on the perimeters of cities.

(In the US, practically all the less densely settled area on the perimeters of cities are neighborhoods built by developers, but in Europe there are older cities where this isn't true.)

Re:Lies We Tell Kids by mrtron on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @11:20AM (#188622)
A friend of mine works building these suburbs; they actually now use a portable factory to build a completely finished house (even painted, all fixtures installed, etc). They roll it down the street and drop it on the foundations, connect the plumbing and electrical and it is ready to be moved into.

So now they are literally cookie cutter neighbourhoods.

Re:Lies We Tell Kids by epi0Bauqu on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @12:03PM (#188690)
A few short follow-up questions:

1) Is any "development" part of suburbia?

2) What if there were multiple developers building the houses?

3) What if it is x miles from a town center?

4) What if the owners built their own houses in the development?

Let's get specific using the Boston area as an example.

5) Do you think any parts of Cambridge count as suburbia?

6) Do you think any of the following areas/towns count as suburbia: Revere, Brookline, Newton, Framingham, Wellsley, Waltham, Lexington?

And finally 7) if an area is just less densely settled does that make it just as unappealing as suburbia in your view?

Re:Lies We Tell Kids by dfranke on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @02:50PM (#188891)
> 7) if an area is just less densely settled does that make it just as unappealing as suburbia in your view?

If you'd seen Paul's west coast home, you'd know the answer to that :-)

Re:Lies We Tell Kids by epi0Bauqu on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @03:02PM (#188910)
Where is it?
Re:Lies We Tell Kids by dfranke on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @03:10PM (#188919)
On a winding mountain road six miles from the nearest cross street.
Re:Lies We Tell Kids by epi0Bauqu on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @05:17PM (#189037)
Why am I getting voted down for this--are these not legitimate questions? I am just trying to understand the definition of suburbia in this context.
Re:Lies We Tell Kids by aaronsw on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @08:06PM (#189147)
Because understanding the notion of suburbia at that level of detail can't possibly be useful or relevant.
Re:Lies We Tell Kids by epi0Bauqu on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @08:11PM (#189151)
I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't think it was useful and relevant :)

The essay spends a few paragraphs on it, hence its relevance. That is certainly the same level of relevance of some of the other upvoted comments on this thread.

The usefulness is two-fold: 1) I think the essay suggests a very black and white picture of what is suburbia and what is not, yet does not define it at all. I am trying to get to the core of that definition (if there really is one). Pg responded to my question, but didn't make it that much clearer, hence the follow-up questions. And 2) if you believe the essay, you presumably want to avoid suburbia, so it would be useful to know what it is!

The essay suggests that the only reason people move to suburbia is to have kids. I'm totally unsure whether pg or anyone else would say I live in suburbia (I would guess so though), and yet I don't have kids nor moved here to have kids. And I don't think where I live is suffocatingly fake either.

The truth is there are many, many types of different living environments in the US and other countries, and not all places near but not in city limits are unappealing. The questions attempt to start to delineate which parts in particular are being attacked. Is this really an attack on geography or housing style or is it an attack on the average person who lives outside the city?

Re:Lies We Tell Kids by muerdeme on Tuesday May 13, 2008 @12:14PM (#188709)