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Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by monocasa on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @12:46AM (#18853526)
As I said below:

The upward pressure on prices is also from the insurers. Insurers have an "80/20 rule" from Obamacare that only 20% of their revenue can be spent on non-medical expenses (ie. profit, insurance administrative overhead, etc.). They pretty quickly hit the caps, and now only by increasing medical expenditures (the other 80%) can the pie slice that contains their profit grow year after year.

Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by dmitriy_ko on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @02:04AM (#18853864)
This issue existed before Obamacare 80/20 rule. In a free market the way for a profitable insurer to grow is by growing marketshare -- whether 80/20 rule exists or not. And the way to grow marketshare is to offer cheaper insurance. To offer cheaper insurance insurers have to push service prices down. Somehow this is not happening.
Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by tptacek on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @10:13AM (#18855990)
Hey, wait a minute, that's true. The McKinsey study predates the ACA and establishes the overconsumption narrative. The 80/20 ACA thing can't be the problem.
Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by monocasa on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @12:28PM (#18857392)
I'm not staying it's the problem; for something as systemically wrong as the US healthcare system there isn't just one thing wrong.

I'm merely debunking your assertion that insurance companies don't have a financial incentive to keep costs high.

Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by tptacek on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @12:46PM (#18857573)
What's the financial incentive they had to keep costs high in 2010? You're making an extraordinary claim: health insurance companies are deliberately making themselves liable for provider costs in order to somehow benefit on the backend. You should have some kind of evidence?

What's the trend line since 2010? Since the 80/20 rule went into effect, has the rate of provider costs increased or decreased or stayed the same? If it hasn't increased, does your hypothesis actually explain any empirical observations?

If not, are you concerned this might be a just-so story?

Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by selestify on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @01:53AM (#18853823)
Wow, sounds like one heck of an unintended consequence for that well-meaning 80/20 rule.
Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @03:51AM (#18854227)
Only because of a non functioning market due to federal and state laws.

If there was one health insurance marketplace and set of rules, and everyone, young, old, poor, rich, healthy, infirm, we’re forced to buy from it, then it would actually be possible for insurance companies to compete.

Right now, it’s basically a game of hot potato to try and not get stuck with the million dollar hemophiliacs in each state. A lot of the healthy are separated out into employer based insurance plans, and there’s not sufficient possibility of business to have more than one or two insurance offerings on healthcare.gov.