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Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by refurb on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:48PM (#18852668)
Insurers control care to reduce costs. The upward pressure on prices is from providers.

In terms of these insurers who control providers, can you give an example?

Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by monocasa on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:10PM (#18852781)
The upward pressure on prices is also from the insurers. Insurers have an "80/20 rule" from Obamacare that only 20% of their revenue can be spent on non-medical expenses (ie. profit, insurance administrative overhead, etc.). They pretty quickly hit the caps, and now only by increasing medical expenditures (the other 80%) can the pie slice that contains their profit grow year after year.
Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by will_brown on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @08:01AM (#18855215)
Insurers are really controlling care to improve their “star rating”. Insurers are given a star rating by many things outside their control and in the domain of providers and pharmacists. That’s why they are dropping docs and pharmacies from their networks and otherwise buying them to consolidate the market and their control.

Next time you go to your primary doctor ask them how many faxes they get from the pharmacist instructing doctors to change prescriptions. Then ask the pharmacists where they get those instructions from to fax to the docs....the insurers.

I’ll admit the star ratings are related to costs, but short term costs. All this watered down care and cookie cutter treatment will lead to higher costs long term (ie hospitializations, waiting until health problems escalate instead of preventative care or proper management).

It’s also why the big groups have reinvented HMO, now called ACO, bc even they don’t want outcomes based payment, so with ACO they can get paid $x/patient per year and make the care fit. HMO failed from a cost and care perspective, again not in the short term but in the long term, and it’s literally being rebranded as ACO by the insurer/provider groups.

Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by refurb on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @11:03AM (#18856495)
Star ratings are for Medicare plans only, not commercial. They are related to the quality of the insurers for the customers, not prices.
Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by will_brown on Tuesday January 08, 2019 @12:46PM (#18857576)
Yes but the Medicare plans are private insurance, the same insurers for the “commercial market” as you call it. You can’t separate the insurers dropping providers from networks and buying practices/hospitals from Medicare plans to non Medicare plans.

In other words if you aren’t a Medicare patient and are insured by UnitedHealth for example, you will be subject to the same networks of doctors/hospitals as their Medicare plans, so private is driven my the Medicare plans, because Medicare rules are driving the consolidation of the market.

And yes everyone will tell you star ratings are about “outcomes” not price, but if you knew/know anything about the star rating metrics it’s obvious “outcomes” is marketing/PR for cost cutting. Otherwise I’d ask to point out any metrics that increase star ratings that don’t lower costs, whereas it’s easy to point out the metrics that result in better “patient outcomes”/higher star ratings but lower quality of care.

Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by mikeg8 on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:55PM (#18852709)
Kaiser
Re:The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new rep... by refurb on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:05PM (#18852753)
Yes, and Kaiser has some of the lowest cost healthcare out of all insurers.