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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by perfmode on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:04AM (#18845119)
Just because morality is subjective doesn’t mean there aren’t rights that we must deem fundamental and defend globally.

This knee jerk relativism is getting old. Just because morality exists outside of systems of formal logic, doesnt make it any less important. It is still up for debate.

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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by StavrosK on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:12AM (#18845195)
Which right is more fundamental? My right of deciding my own morality, or your right of enforcing your global values?
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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by ForHackernews on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:21AM (#18845260)
Nobody is forcing Saudis to watch a Netflix show they find morally repugnant -- the Saudi government prevented its citizens from seeing something politically sensitive.

I can't believe posters on HN are defending this.

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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by perfmode on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:26AM (#18845305)
Indeed.

I can’t for the life of me understand what motivates people on this forum to behave this way...

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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by StavrosK on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:49AM (#18845526)
Who's defending this? I, specifically, didn't talk about this specific instance at all.
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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by perfmode on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:59AM (#18845608)
Pick a position.
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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by StavrosK on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:17AM (#18845772)
Right, because there must be enforceable universal moralities for Netflix to decide that they don't want to remove an episode.
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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by perfmode on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:35AM (#18845927)
My issue with your participation in this discussion is that you think you are moving the discussion forward when you post a less-wrong link to support your statement about moral relativism.

And you maintain the same sense of correctness even as it is explained to you that your argument is regressive and unhelpful.

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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by StavrosK on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:47AM (#18846068)
I posted exactly two comments on this, one saying that there are no "proper values", and one asking what they would look like if there were.

Commenters mistaking this for me condoning what Netflix did or making some broader assumption are just that, mistaken.

You did answer my question with an example, but I chose not to reply because I thought that if two sentences can be misconstrued so badly, more sentences wouldn't make anything better, but, since you replied, I will ask you:

> All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights

If a woman decides that she wants to cover her face with a burqa and we legislate a burqa ban, are we following her right to freedom or are we oppressing her? If a society votes that they don't want to see nudity on TV, is it right for another society to not adhere to that? Is it moral for Spotify to censor songs that the US finds offensive, even though Sweden disagrees?

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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by yakshaving_jgt on Monday January 07, 2019 @12:12PM (#18847163)
If me and a friend vote to kill you, are we right to do that?
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Re:Netflix's Bow to Saudi Censors Comes at a Cost to Free Sp... by perfmode on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:20AM (#18845250)
> All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

The above is an example of a “global value” to be enforced.

If that is being violated anywhere, it is a problem.

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