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Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by erikpukinskis on Monday January 07, 2019 @04:04AM (#18843823)
Yeah, if electronic mules are so great, I would expect to see some actual mules still in service.
Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by michaelt on Monday January 07, 2019 @04:27AM (#18843906)
According to "FM 3-05.213 (FM 31-27) Special Forces Use of Pack Animals" from 2004 [1] "Today and throughout the operational continuum, SF may find themselves involved in operations in rural or remote environments, such as Operations UPHOLD DEMOCRACY or ENDURING FREEDOM, using pack animals."

[1] https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-05-213.pdf

Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by tcpekin on Monday January 07, 2019 @05:37AM (#18844182)
Wow, this document is fascinating.
Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by swish_bob on Monday January 07, 2019 @09:48AM (#18845509)
I love that it includes the line: > Elephants are considered an endangered species and as such should not be used by U.S. military personnel.
Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by C1sc0cat on Monday January 07, 2019 @07:23AM (#18844613)
The USMC Small Wars Manual - has some fascinating info on how pre mechanisation troops used hoses mules oxen ect.

https://archive.org/details/UsmcSmallWarsManual1940Reprinted...

Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by ryanmercer on Monday January 07, 2019 @06:43AM (#18844440)
>I would expect to see some actual mules still in service.

SF have been using horses in places like Afghanistan for the past 2 decades and while DARPA is working on a robotic mule the DoD has brought in consultants to advise them about actual mules.

You'd be surprised what the military still does with animals, the Army even still has the U.S. Army Veterinary Corps with 700 something veterinarians for dogs, ceremony horses, working animals etc.

Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by arethuza on Monday January 07, 2019 @07:49AM (#18844724)
The British Army apparently has more horses than tanks - though I suspect they aren't being kept for any practical purposes.
Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by desdiv on Monday January 07, 2019 @08:16AM (#18844843)
Fascinating stuff! A 2015 article from the horse's mouth[0] shows 485 horses for ceremonial purposes vs 227 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tanks.

[0] https://www.forces.net/services/tri-service/leading-charge-t...

Also a related BBC article with more background: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-22951...

Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by arethuza on Monday January 07, 2019 @08:52AM (#18845038)
From one of those links:

"The figures don't necessarily mean we have got too many horses, it's more likely the figures mean we don't have enough tanks."

Edit: Mind you, on reflection, 485 horses does seem rather a lot.

Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by colek42 on Monday January 07, 2019 @11:20PM (#18853116)
I used a mule in the mountains of Afghanistan in 2010. It was the only way other than helo or a strong back to get supplies up the mountain to out observation point.
Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by AndyMcConachie on Monday January 07, 2019 @07:28AM (#18844637)
Funny story. I was listening to an interview with Chinese historian Carl Zha. According to Zha the CIA ran a breeding program for mules in the 1980s for use in Afghanistan to supply the mujahadeen. The breeding program was in Tennessee and used Tennessee mules. All the mules died after about a year because for whatever reason they couldn't deal with the conditions in Afghanistan. So the CIA went looking for a mule provider in the region and ended up sourcing mules from Uyghur tribesmen in western China. These mules didn't die. And thus began the CIA's relationship with the Uyghur.

I'm not vouching for the authenticity of this story, but it is a good story none the less.

Re:The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More ... by koheripbal on Monday January 07, 2019 @10:52AM (#18846108)
...and now I understand why the Uyghur are persecuted in China.