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Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by benj111 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @02:42PM (#18833739)
To be fair speed bumps to slow a car to 35mph seems like slightly the wrong tool.

Also why does a text based website require a loading animation???

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by ricardobeat on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:20PM (#18833969)
The cars should already be driving below 35mph since that's the road's speed limit. These raised crosswalks are a very common sight in Europe, they help drivers be more attentive to their interaction with pedestrains. Once they are more common (and people follow the speed limits) it becomes a natural element in driving, though still a bit annoying.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by dsfyu404ed on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:28PM (#18834018)
If the overwhelming majority of drivers want to drive more than 35mph on the road than slapping a 35 or below sign on it is not going to have any meaningful effect unless you back it up with the kind of strict law enforcement that is incompatible with American ideals.

Edit: And as I said in the my other comment, if you want people to go slow you need road features that will make them want to go slow on their own. Speed bumps are far more of an insulting road feature than bushes or something to make the road feel narrow because they basically say "this road is capable of X but we're going to make you go Y and you can't do anything about it" which is why people are complaining. If you want people to go slow toss in a raised median and raised curbs to make the road feel narrow.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by derefr on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:33PM (#18834048)
No, but that's why we're not talking about a sign, but a raised crosswalk (i.e. a speedbump.) If you're going over 35mph, your car will scrape against it and possibly catch air off it, and you'll quite quickly regret going over 35mph and probably not do it again on that stretch of road.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by seanmcdirmid on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:50PM (#18834158)
Or you might be dead or your car might be wrecked.

When I was very young and very dumb, I did ~45 over a railroad track with a raised crossing. I landed OK, but it was a pretty scary experience.

Edit: some people seem to think that I'm against speed bumps to protect pedestrians because of my experience. I'm not really, I was just explaining my experience from when I was an idiot in how these bumps take speed. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by tom_ on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:03PM (#18834247)
If the car is wrecked, this will definitely discourage the driver from doing it again.

If the driver dies, I put it to you that it was only a matter of time, whether there was a raised crossing in this place or not. This sort of careless driving is vanishingly rarely a one-off, and almost always an example of a pattern of behaviour. Let us hope that they didn't take anybody else with them.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by seanmcdirmid on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:36PM (#18834422)
It was a one off for me! When you are 15 years old with a drivers license, you are learning lots of things for the first and last time. For example, I quickly learned about hydroplaning during a heavy rain storm.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by village-idiot on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:02PM (#18834234)
Far more pedestrians are hurt and killed by vehicles than drivers are hurt by speed bumps. As someone who both drives and walks, I believe it is 100% acceptable to trash a few people’s cars (who ignored the speed limit) to reduce pedestrian fatalities.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by seanmcdirmid on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:33PM (#18834401)
Please don't assume I think this is a bad idea. I was just explaining the consequences of speeding over a bump like that, I'm completely pro speed bump as a way of slowing down traffic. Just that we can be idiots when we are kids.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by barrkel on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:16PM (#18834321)
Better a careless driver dead than an innocent pedestrian on a designated crossing.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by seanmcdirmid on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:38PM (#18834439)
This was a road in the country out in the middle of nowhere. There were no pedestrians, and the RR crossing was only protected by this bump and some lights (no gates).
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by arthurdenture on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:32PM (#18834041)
No, if the majority of drivers want to drive faster than 35mph, the road is badly designed. It needs traffic calming devices, such as narrower lanes, curb extensions, and, yes, raised crosswalks. Enforcement (including automated enforcement) is a useful tool, but the start should be designing the road so that drivers naturally go at a safe speed.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by skywhopper on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:29PM (#18834030)
Yeah, that's what traffic calming measures such as raised crosswalks are for...
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by darkerside on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:11PM (#18834296)
> cars should already be driving below 35mph since that's the road's speed limit

Let me stop you right there. What's generally accepted in the US--not sure about other countries--is to keep your speed less than 10 over the speed limit. This is commonly cited by new and old drivers, driving teachers, and traffic enforcement police. If cars are bottoming out when going over the bump at the speed limit, the road is built wrong.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by baylisscg on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:37PM (#18834432)
In the UK the limit is the limit. There is leeway to exceed the limit by up to 10% to allow safer overtaking (you're usually using the oncoming lane and opportunities are scarce) and to take the accuracy of car speedometers and police radar guns into account.

In Australia you can be fined, heavily, for exceeding the limit by any margin. e.g. Limit was 100kph you were clocked at 102.

If you're driving so much over the limit that you're damaging your car on a properly built speed bump you're going too fast. In the UK you'd run the risk of getting hit with "Driving without due care and attention".

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by darkerside on Saturday January 05, 2019 @05:22PM (#18834654)
Honestly that makes way more sense to me. As is, (almost) everybody in America is breaking the law, which means we can all be pulled over without cause at any time.

Still, system being what it is, this speed bump makes no sense in the US.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by skywhopper on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:29PM (#18834020)
Curious what you think the right tool is? Raised crosswalks can solve problems beyond just traffic calming: if they are lifted to sidewalk level they make wheelchair access much easier and safer; they also lift pedestrians higher in the air to make them easier for drivers to see.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by DoofusOfDeath on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:05PM (#18833893)
> To be fair speed bumps to slow a car to 35mph seems like slightly the wrong tool

What alternative would you suggest?

As a parent of kids who cross the street to get to school, in my fantasy world, speed limits in school zones are enforced by impounding the offenders' cars.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by dsfyu404ed on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:20PM (#18833971)
>What alternative would you suggest?

Roads that are not straight, wide and well marked cause drivers to slow down naturally. Bushes trees and other landscaping can be used to make the road seem narrow which also makes people slow down. Having a good S-curve before the slow area works well too and many rural towns do this.

For a school zone you should probably stick a traffic light at the school entrance since that will allow you to create a traffic clusterfuck in order to slow traffic for the hours when you want it slow and not reduce the capacity of the road the rest of the time. Turning it into a 4-way stop would probably work well since people approach those slowly since they have to stop anyway.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by FiveSquared25 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:42PM (#18834117)
And also reduce bushes and lawns, they obstruct. And overly tall trees.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by walshemj on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:39PM (#18834093)
In the UK 90% of the traffic near schools and start and end times are parents driving there kids to school
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by benj111 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:14PM (#18833944)
Well I would be aiming for a lower speed for outside a school, and I also wouldn't want to drive over a speed bump at 35mph.

If the aim is to lower to speed to 35mph, speed cameras?

In my fantasy world school drop off points would be 10 minutes walk from the school. But impounding sounds good too :)

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by skywhopper on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:31PM (#18834039)
Why can't this be one of many tools in designing the environment to accommodate multiple road users? And isn't it better to design the road to encourage safe driving rather than designing a system designed solely to punish users who do something against the rules?
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by tom_ on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:21PM (#18833974)
35mph is presumably the upper limit, not the lower one. Perhaps the goal is to make cars go even slower than that when going over the crossing.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by dsfyu404ed on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:38PM (#18834083)
>35mph is presumably the upper limit

Yeah. I'd wager that they will not be pleased when they catch some teenager catching air in his shitbox at 34.9mph.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by village-idiot on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:04PM (#18834248)
> I also wouldn't want to drive over a speed bump at 35m

... yes, that’s the point.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by benj111 on Saturday January 05, 2019 @04:37PM (#18834435)
I get that.

What if they put speed bumps on the motorway/freeway, to slow everyone down for roadworks?

FTA "and was built to slow cars to 35 miles per hour"

Yes use speed bumps to slow people to 20mph, not 35mph.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by village-idiot on Saturday January 05, 2019 @10:36PM (#18836409)
Your argument seems to center around you conflating various traffic calming measures. If you look at the pictures in the article you will see that they are depicting a speed table, not a speed bump. Speed tables are longer and gentler than a speed bump, and designed to slow the vehicles down less than a speed bump or speed hump. I agree that 35mph is a bit high for most speed tables, but 30mph would not be out of place for such a device.

Obviously hitting a speed bump at 35mph would be a very bad experience, but that's a different device than what's represented in the article.

Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by runarberg on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:29PM (#18834022)
Really I think raised crosswalks are the only time a speed bump is properly used. A free standing speed bump (without a crosswalk) is sort of useless since drivers like to speed up between them, and slow down only just before they hit the bump. But a raised crosswalk really does magic in increasing the proportion of drivers that actually stop for crossing pedestrians.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by walshemj on Saturday January 05, 2019 @03:41PM (#18834105)
Why not have traffic lights with cameras to catch offenders
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by runarberg on Saturday January 05, 2019 @06:26PM (#18835058)
The same problem. Drivers would just speed up between them. Plus I think there are better ways to get drivers to slow down then catch and punish all offenders.
Re:Drivers Complain Raised Crosswalk Slows Vehicles by walshemj on Sunday January 06, 2019 @03:53PM (#18840644)
There are average speed cameras now to get round that issue.