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Re:Wealth: The Toxic Byproduct (2013) by nostrademons on Friday January 04, 2019 @01:32PM (#18826437)
Economics is supposed to be value-neutral: it describes the world as it exists, and doesn't attempt to pass judgment on whether any of the behaviors it describes are good or bad. There's a whole level of punditry and policy-making on top of economics that takes these concepts and says "Ok, we want full employment and equitable distribution of wealth and minimal dead-weight loss" and then tries to tweak the appropriate levers to get that, but the field of economics itself is concerned with figuring out what the levers are.

The economist isn't really concerned with whether consumption is good or bad, but takes it as a given that people want to consume. When the hypothetical protagonist in the story buys himself a yacht, he's satisfying his own desires by redirecting the productive efforts of many Kongolese towards his own end. You can layer a value system on top of this, and argue either that it's immoral for one person to be able to direct the energies of thousands of other people for his personal efforts, or argue that it's moral because he previously delivered more value to the Kongolese through his grain speculation than he is consuming through the building of his yacht. But those moral judgments are separate from the fact that under the monetary system in this thought experiment, he has both the ability and incentive to direct resources in this manner.

Re:Wealth: The Toxic Byproduct (2013) by claudiawerner on Friday January 04, 2019 @03:24PM (#18827302)
Economics is supposed to be value-neutral, but do economists question the extent to which it isn't value-neutral in its assumptions and views of the world? Similarly, science is often declared to be value-neutral, but it accepts certain philosophical ideas without really investigating them. In your example, in many hypothetical societies (not too different from our own) the very fact of hiring the Kongolese would be alien. In fact, the idea of hiring, as in, getting someone to do something for you, and to ask that they align their conatus to yours (in the modern sense) changes in the period of a lifetime.

In short, I think that the assumptions and historical background of economics (descending from political economy) have produced a way of viewing the world which is not value-neutral at all. The existence of heterodox economics (which should not be dismissed as "value" spins on "regular economics") would seem to show that the bare set of assumptions that orthodox economics makes are neither givens nor small in number. Marx, Sraffa, the neo-Ricardians and the Post-Keynesians questioned them. So I think that if science can be admitted to be ideological, we're in for a big treat when it comes to economics.