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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by orev on Friday January 04, 2019 @11:46AM (#18825408)
As a user notifications are a problem, but as an app developer they absolutely work to drive engagement, which is why so many apps use them. So if you’re trying to run a business that’s a pretty important thing.
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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by wuliwong on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:27PM (#18825804)
You think notifications are universally "a problem"? I find many notifications to be quite useful. Appointment reminders are VERY important to me and not at all a problem.
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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by fromdowntown on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:38PM (#18825903)
They probably mean generally a problem. Things like reminders seems like a good use case, but with all the apps trying to increase engagement, it seems necessary to mute notifications to an app right after downloading it.
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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by ryanwaggoner on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:43PM (#18825956)
You don’t need to “mute” them, just don’t approve the notifications permission request. Out of the 100+ apps I have installed, I have zero that annoy me with notifications.
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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by ryandrake on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:48PM (#18826003)
Users don’t care about “driving engagement”. If your product’s user experience is important, or if is made with any empathy at all for the user, it won’t be spamming him with notifications purely to juice a startup vanity metric.
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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by askafriend on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:35PM (#18825872)
Notification management is the problem. Not notifications themselves.

One part is on the system to provide the right management tools, the other is on the user to tell the system what notifications are important.

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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by JohnFen on Friday January 04, 2019 @07:07PM (#18828963)
> Notification management is the problem. Not notifications themselves.

Notification abuse is the problem. Notifications have been so heavily abused by apps (and increasingly now by websites themselves) that makes the notification system itself look terrible.

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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by username223 on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:00PM (#18825554)
> As a user notifications are a problem, but as an app developer...

So do you develop apps but not use them? I can't think of a way the hypocrisy isn't shocking here. "Do unto others" and all that.

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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by scarface74 on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:04PM (#18825585)
I’ve developed software all of my career that I personally have no use for.

I develop software to pay my bills. We are talking about notifications, not killing puppies.

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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by username223 on Friday January 04, 2019 @01:25PM (#18826368)
We're not talking about whether or not you are killing puppies -- I don't think you're a sadist. Just "make stuff you would want to use." Or "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Or, if you prefer, "act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law."
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Re:Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App by JohnFen on Friday January 04, 2019 @07:09PM (#18828968)
> Just "make stuff you would want to use."

So I should quit my job developing enterprise software because I don't personally have a use for enterprise software?

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