And there is no such thing as a slow Java app? Or a slow Objective-C app? Just because it's compiled, doesn't mean it's better. Some websites turn your phone into a space heater because the developer is shit, not because the tech is bad (HN doesn't make my phone blow up...). Dart will suffer the same problem - shit developers - so developing all this tech mumbo-jumbo is pointless.

AMP, in my opinion, was a step in the right direction. AMP is google's way of saying "you're all shit at developing on the web, use this very restricted way of developing a website and watch how fast it will go".

That's what we need. Don't put developers closer to the computer by giving them compiled languages. Move them as far away from the computer as you can. Languages should be moving in the direction of requiring the developer to do as little as possible. I need to import a package to make HTTP requests in Dart; every fucking app makes HTTP calls these days, how outdated is that? HTTP requests are baked in to javascript, I don't even need to think about what I need to import, I can spend mental cycles on real shit.

Generally speaking in the context of normal, non-game apps I’ve found it rather difficult to write Swift or Objective-C in such an inefficient manner that it keeps the CPU spinning and heats up your device. It’s possible for sure but also requires crazy levels of laziness, incompetence, lack of understanding, or some combination thereof.

This is a weird objection. Import statements have nothing to do with whether a language is interpreted or compiled. It's just a matter of which names the language designers decide should be imported automatically.

Haha, fair criticism, but don't miss the forest for trees. My point was about simplicity - I don't need to worry about this when making a website, but there's this new language and now I have to worry about this? It just feels like a step backwards.

I'm sure you're right about how it feels, but "feeling like a step backwards" is normal for learning a new language since there's a learning curve. It seems hard to say if it's actually worse? You didn't start out knowing what all the built-in JavaScript functions were, right?

If you know you want to use Dart's HttpRequest class, you can just type it and a good editor will add the import for you. But people don't start out knowing what to type.

> I need to import a package to make HTTP requests in Dart

That's actually not true; the functionality is included in both dart:io and dart:html. package:http is just a cross-platform wrapper.