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Re:USB Type-C to Become More Secure with Authentication Stan... by geofft on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @05:07PM (#18810747)
I think we have completely unrelated threat models. I'm worried about malicious USB ports / devices trying to steal my data or at least make me have a bad day. If someone is trying to set a device on fire, authentication won't help. They just need to fail authentication and use that as the bomb's trigger.

You're worried, I think, about poor-quality devices that aren't malicious, just incompetent - or poor-quality cables. (I'm already willing to carry my own cable - I already carry a USB-A data blocker around, but USB-C data blockers don't seem to exist.) I think that can be solved without cryptographic authentication, with the standard approach of having a certification organization like UL or the USB-IF themselves investigate cable/charger production and test them. It seems the major problem here is with Amazon listing cables without showing whether they have certifications (or checking whether certifications are forged), and that's a general Amazon problem with poor-quality hardware and counterfeits.

This article is talking about autorun, Stuxnet, etc. so I think they're focusing on the latter. If the USB-IF wanted to use digital signatures to authenticate cables I'd be more on board, but if they do that, they should just be authenticating cables, not devices. (A cable, I believe, can be engineered to just cut the circuits if a device tries to pass too much voltage, or is wired backwards, or something.)

Re:USB Type-C to Become More Secure with Authentication Stan... by gumby on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @05:30PM (#18810961)
> USB-C data blockers don't seem to exist.

They do -- I carry one one of my employees made in our lab. Search for "usb-c condom" or "usb-c data blocker" and you will find several offered for sale.

Re:USB Type-C to Become More Secure with Authentication Stan... by geofft on Thursday January 03, 2019 @09:19AM (#18815229)
The ones I've seen work by severing all of the data pins, limiting you to the old 5 V * 2 A limit. Have you seen any data blockeds that support the power delivery spec and are suitable for devices that need over 10 W (larger laptops, the Switch, etc.)?
Re:USB Type-C to Become More Secure with Authentication Stan... by gumby on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:20PM (#18818911)
I have one that negotiates power delivery on both ends. But I don’t believe it was manufactured commercially — it’s just a bare board with no housing. I’ll ask the guy who made it if he’d publish the design files.
Re:USB Type-C to Become More Secure with Authentication Stan... by Spooky23 on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @05:52PM (#18811130)
There’s a whole spectrum of bad actors.

Incompetence is scarier than malicious actors imo, and expecting users to carry USB condoms around seems like a bad idea.

Re:USB Type-C to Become More Secure with Authentication Stan... by floatingatoll on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @06:45PM (#18811479)
I assume USB-IF wants all uses of the word USB with respect to any hardware - including cables - to be backed by a DigiCert signature, and all other uses to be rejected by non-developer-mode devices so their enforcement success rate improves versus generic knockoffs that can’t easily be sued.