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Re:Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as ... by ethn on Friday December 28, 2018 @11:43PM (#18781880)
Human eyes don't work anything like cameras. The eye processes information that isn't just intensities of photons and their wave lengths—which is the only information collected by cameras. See Walter Pitt's "What the Frog Eyes Tell the Frog Brain" for an introduction: 'Fundamentally it shows that the eye speaks to the brain in a language already highly organized and interpreted, instead of transmitting some more or less accurate copy of the distribution of light on the receptors.'
Re:Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as ... by pdxww on Saturday December 29, 2018 @12:49AM (#18782127)
A simple abstraction here: we put two high-quality monitors before our eyes and get all the data from them. Can we continue driving this way? Absolutely. This means that no matter how our eyes actually work, an array of RGB pixels is enough. I'd go further and say that a 64 x 64 grayscale camera at 10 fps is enough to drive a car. The real magic happens in the brain that reconstructs the 3D model and predicts what happens next.
Re:Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as ... by darkpuma on Saturday December 29, 2018 @12:54AM (#18782148)
> "64 x 64 grayscale camera at 10 fps is enough to drive a car."

If you had vision that bad, the State of California would not let you get a drivers license, they require at least one of your eyes to be 20/40. Anyway, the point of the GP is that the brain isn't the only piece of wetware doing image processing, but more to the point the current state of the art CV really is not up to the task.

And it really doesn't seem like it's going to be there anytime soon.

Re:Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as ... by ethn on Saturday December 29, 2018 @03:03AM (#18782574)
That is an analogy not an abstraction but if you had read the paper or the single quote I provided, you would know that even relatively simple eyes (such as those of the frogs which cannot see still objects) don't only process a distribution of light intensity and frequency. The eye measures other information that is lost by the camera including photon phase, arrival time, polarization, orbital angular momentum, linear momentum, and probably many more measurements. More so, this is done by specialized organelles of the eye rather than by the brain.
Re:Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as ... by pdxww on Sunday December 30, 2018 @02:42AM (#18787977)
It's great that eyes can detect polarization and orbital momentum. My point is that none of that info is needed to drive a car.
Re:Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as ... by ethn on Sunday December 30, 2018 @07:24PM (#18792166)
That's true, but the main point is that current software still relies on sampling. Eyes don't sample.
Re:Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as ... by pdxww on Saturday January 05, 2019 @08:57PM (#18835861)
And this is irrelevant also, because we can introduce sampling the way I described and can continue driving just fine.
Re:Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as ... by ethn on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:44PM (#18908703)
I've thought about it and yes this does make sense.