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Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by Zanni on Thursday December 27, 2018 @05:28PM (#18773220)
For those that haven't had the Tesla experience, it's a refreshing change of pace. They don't have dealerships, only showrooms and service centers. You can schedule a test drive at a showroom (or online), and your rep will be happy to help you configure your car right there if you decide to buy, but you can also go home and leisurely plan your configuration over the internet. You can see the price of every option before you add it, and when you're through, you get an exact total that you can pay through the website. No pressure, no haggling, no upgrades. When your car is ready, you pick it up at the service center. That's it. The cars aren't cheap, but the buying process is the most pleasant I've ever experienced.
Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by tomjakubowski on Thursday December 27, 2018 @06:36PM (#18773642)
For anyone who's gone through both, how does it it compare to BMW USA's online ordering?

https://www.bmwusa.com/byo.html#!/model-variant-selector/3-s...

Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by ams6110 on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:23PM (#18774671)
Believe me, any dealer will happily escort you thru a similar order process if you're paying list price.
Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by paranoidrobot on Friday December 28, 2018 @02:33AM (#18775341)
Problem is, some people don't want to be "escorted", they just want to be able to look through the options and pick for themselves.

One family member bought a Mazda, and then two months later it was stolen from their home, stripped for parts and burned.

Insurance would only pay out in the form of a cheque to a dealer, and the dealer would only deal in-person, even when told they just wanted an exact replacement for the previous car. The sales guy wanted the opportunity to upsell on some other feature, rather than take the guaranteed sale.

Even now, with the advent of the internet, it's stupidly difficult to figure out what options are available, their pricing, etc and to configure a car. Oh no, you have to visit the dealer to know all that. Bullshit, the dealer's doing it online, why can't I?

Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by mixmastamyk on Thursday December 27, 2018 @05:36PM (#18773258)
Sounds great. Has privacy of driving data become an option yet, and is it observed?
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Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by vvanders on Thursday December 27, 2018 @06:18PM (#18773531)
Why is a damage checklist a Tesla specific problem? Bought plenty of cars(and trucks and tractors) where I went over them at delivery. Found more than a few things of which were sorted out by the dealer at the time.
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Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by vvanders on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:50PM (#18774545)
Huh. Not my experience at all.

Had a loose headboard near the sunroof. Had an appt and fixed inside of a week. I'm sure there's outliers as there would be with any high volume product but I find it suspect that these type of things wouldn't get sorted out in warranty.

For what it's worth I've seen much worse. Our last tractor we bought didn't have a driveshaft connected(!) so 4WD was kaput. Once that was sorted someone put a bell housing on in reverse so it was making a lovely metal-on-metal sound(!). This is all from a very well regarded brand and a high volume dealer. Screw ups happen but unless you're dealing with a fly-by-night company they'll get sorted out since everyone hates bad press.

Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by lloydde on Thursday December 27, 2018 @07:04PM (#18773782)
Common in my experience receiving goods on delivery. Take your time. They understand.
Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by Jarbooski on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:43PM (#18774507)
Your anecdote differs from what I read on the Tesla forums and Twitter, where pepe are being rushed to sign. Go see for yourself, there are many posts. Big oil conspiracy?
Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by dmode on Friday December 28, 2018 @02:14AM (#18775299)
Did you actually buy a Tesla or are you just basing your assessment on some twitter trolling and forum posts ? I have recently bought both a BMW and a Tesla. The difference in sales experience is night and day. While buying a BMW I had to deal with multiple shady sales person churning out one soft lie after another and trying to hard sell unnecessary upgrades, extra insurance and protection etc. For Tesla, I just ordered online and then went and picked my car when it was ready. Some owners do fuss over small details during delivery as early production Teslas had minor quality issues. But Tesla is going to deliver well over 200k car this year and some customer will inevitably have a bad delivery experience
Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by lloydde on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:21PM (#18774662)
Sorry, I have no experience with Tesla. I see what you mean on the forums. That is indeed very poor and contrary to inspection on delivery practices.
Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by TwoBit on Thursday December 27, 2018 @06:24PM (#18773568)
Why would you care about paper signing? I'm pretty sure they could find your car for you before signing if you cared. They did that for me, not that I would care much. I don't understand your delivery damage checklist statement. But if that's the worst people are reporting about Tesla sales practices then lol.
Re:Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla by Jarbooski on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:44PM (#18774512)
If you think that's the worst thing people are complaining about, you aren't paying attention.

But this is the same community that didn't see the Theranos fraud, either. Blind eye for Silicon Valley.