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Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by mc32 on Thursday December 27, 2018 @05:18PM (#18773133)
It's not a direct comparison. I think it's a bit of a stretch. Of course, not having money means you can't afford housing in a good school district, but if you happen to be poor or have bad credit but live in a good district (or borrow a relatives address) you can still put that kid in the district school. Basically, it's not a direct result. The most obvious difference is my _knowing_ someone with a bad score does not lower my score by loose association.

Kristol is a war hawk, like many of the other conservative in name Neo-Cons. Glad their influence is now on the wane. What China is doing is not good, in many cases, but it's their problem and they can sort them out like they did in '49 and '66-'67.

Somewhat more comparable is the German Schufa system --but it's till not the same.

Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by oldoverholt on Thursday December 27, 2018 @05:24PM (#18773186)
It’s not direct, but the result can be the same (and it’s not just about being poor, it’s about a low credit score meaning you get shitty loan terms or a landlord isn’t willing to rent to you). I won’t defend the social credit system, but I do think there are enough parallels with credit scores that it’s worth mentioning in the interest of getting some justice in that area.
Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by chii on Thursday December 27, 2018 @06:54PM (#18773732)
credit score is purely financial. It "purely" indicates how likely you're going to default on your loans.

A social "credit score" system is a way to control the behaviour of people in a society - by those who deem the control necessary for "the greater good".

They are different classes of things - a financial credit score can be improved if your finances improve (by luck or by hardwork). A social credit score can't be improved unless you change your person/beliefs.

Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by jdietrich on Thursday December 27, 2018 @07:07PM (#18773797)
"Purely financial" things can also be political and discriminatory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by ouid on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:59PM (#18774569)
it's not purely financial. If you're a tenant and you get in a non-financial dispute with your landlord, for instance, your credit score can be affected easily.
Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by dwild on Friday December 28, 2018 @11:26AM (#18777673)
> in a non-financial dispute with your landlord, for instance, your credit score can be affected easily

How?

Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by ouid on Friday December 28, 2018 @12:19PM (#18778034)
eviction
Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by chii on Friday December 28, 2018 @09:24PM (#18781353)
only if you refuse to pay the rent.
Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by oldoverholt on Monday December 31, 2018 @10:39AM (#18794927)
Virtually every state lets landlords evict you for no reason at all.
Re:The Social Credit System in China [video] by oldoverholt on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:46PM (#18774522)
I don’t know enough about the social credit stuff to refute your characterization of it, but a financial credit score very much follows you even if you somehow end up with more money. Point is, a credit score often closes avenues by which you could get more money, hence the cyclical and punitive nature of it.

The scare quotes of “the greater good” you used for the social credit system can equally be used to characterize credit scores as a way to control people’s financial and employment and living prospects in the interest of the “greater good” of financial markets. I think the idea that markets and the finance sector setting credit scores that have far reaching impacts on people’s lives is somehow categorically different than the state implementing a social credit system that might have similar outcomes isn’t correct. So we should talk about them in similar terms.