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Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by eesmith on Thursday December 27, 2018 @02:23AM (#18768026)
"Whether they wrote"

My point is that you said they did. If they actually did not, then it comes across like you are putting words into their mouth. Do you see how this comes across as part of a criticism which says they themselves are over-interpreting the data?

"it seemed to me"

And it seemed to me it was an outright racist statement. Even if somehow it was not, it was definitely an own-goal given the heavy scrutiny he faces. I cannot conceive of how anyone would think those phrases would result in useful, effective, or even interpretable irony or sarcasm.

It's like the justification, after someone has made a horribly racist, bigoted, sexist, or otherwise insensitive statement that "it was only a joke" - where is the humor? Furthermore, people do use "jokes" as a way to test the water; a 'trial balloon'.

Since you don't think he's racist, then in the context of a thread on his seemingly racist statements, would it not be appropriate to address the topic at hand, rather than simply say that you don't think he's a racist?

"I wanted to point out that the SPLC is not an honest or trustworthy source."

Then you should have said so outright. Your previous statement only said that you didn't think there was enough information to conclude that he is a racist. I agree, the SPLC doesn't provide enough information to make that conclusion. But that wasn't their claim, nor did you say anything beyond their analysis of this one situation.

To restate your own words: "I don't really care to defend [the SPLC] and don't watch/listen to most of any of the content [they produce]. I do follow [others who do], and from what I've gathered, while certainly [more sensitive than I am and not immune to error], [they are not unusually dishonest or untrustworthy]."

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by _Tev on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:14AM (#18769522)
> I cannot conceive of how anyone would think those phrases would result in useful, effective, or even interpretable irony or sarcasm.

Well, that is the root of the disagreement (and one of the main issues with this whole fiasco). When you isolate opposing side enough, you can paint them in whatever way you want, because "I cannot understand them, therefore I assume worst interpretation possible" sounds so logical to you . . .

But from the context given in comments I see just how bad the ban is, and how detached from reality are these judgments of Sargon et al. But you will keep shunning him, understand him even less, and make more opponents to progressive cause ...

Streissand effect in full power. It makes me really sad, as I hate modern right wing ideas.

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by eesmith on Thursday December 27, 2018 @02:10PM (#18771693)
Perhaps you are making the worst possible interpretation possible of my statements because it sounds so logical to you?