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Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by magduf on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @03:25PM (#18764576)
>I have an unpopular opinion. I believe people should be able to fly nazi and confederate flags on their private property. (Even if their private property overlooks yours.) I believe football players should be able to kneel during the national anthem.

No, you have two totally different opinions here.

Football players are not private individuals on their own private land. They're basically employees of a sort, so they're subject to the whims of those who employ them. I happen to agree with you, but I don't own a football team, so my opinion isn't important here. If I work at a company where I'd get fired for kneeling during the national anthem, I'm either going to not kneel, or start looking for a new job.

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by bilbo0s on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @03:36PM (#18764662)
But most football players are obviously not working for such an organization. And they are taking these actions on private property.

Now, if a guy or gal is invited to perform on a military base during a national holiday commemoration, then sure, they should be compelled not to kneel. But if we're talking about things happening on private property as a part of a private gathering, those people can do whatever they please.

If the owners have the guts, let them all fire the football players. That's their right. Either way, the only input we should have on the matter is to watch the football game, or to walk away and not watch it.

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by joshuamorton on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @04:40PM (#18765180)
You're misunderstanding what GP is saying.

A performer on a military base is constitutionally protected from punishment for kneeling during the national anthem, because that base is public and they're acting as a citizen. A member of the military may have other requirements, I'm not really sure.

A professional (as opposed to high school or college, where this argument doesn't work) football player is playing on private property in the employ of a private citizen. That citizen could (and does) have the right to fine their employee for kneeling during the anthem. This isn't true for HS or college players who, by and large, are not acting under a private citizen owner, but are normally playing under the purview of a publicly funded school.

To put it succinctly:

>And they are taking these actions on private property.

Yes, and that private property is someone else's (in this case regulated by the NFL) who can set rules as they see fit.

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by bilbo0s on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:54PM (#18765961)
>who can set rules as they see fit...

Right.

Which is why I wrote:

>If the owners have the guts, let them all fire the football players...

But if the owners don't fire them, then whatever. Not our business. Watch them, or don't watch them. That's your choice. Nothing more.

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by magduf on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:45AM (#18770106)
The owners can either fire them or not, it's their choice. And it's the fans' choice whether to buy tickets to the games.

My choice is to not watch them, but that's only because I think American football is a stupid sport, and that watching sports is, in general, a mindless waste of time.