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Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by magduf on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @03:17PM (#18764524)
>Then you see counter-arguments, like "well if you don't want to get banned, don't say bad things!" But then, who decides what's bad?

That's easy: whoever owns the platform. If I own the platform, Daily Stormer isn't going to be using it. I don't want to be associated with those morons, so I'm not going to do business with them. If it's my platform and my business, I have every right to refuse to do business with those people.

If you want to be fair and equal and give everyone equal access no matter how vile their viewpoint, then you need to make a government service that doesn't discriminate. But then, you may have a big problem with the voters if the government is funding something the voters don't like. That's the nature of democratic governments: people collectively decide what they, as a nation and society, are going to allocate resources towards. So it's the voters' right to refuse to provide a platform for this unliked minority as well.

>So, there are problems that people have, and things that need to be talked about, but they aren't allowed to say anything about it.

If you feel that way, you have every right to set up your own platform and allow those people access to it. But if you're giving access to literal Nazis, I also have the right to shun you, which I will. If you want to willingly associate with that type of scum, then I'm going to assume that you're cut from the same cloth.

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by manfredo on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @03:56PM (#18764810)
No, we don't need to make a government service that doesn't discriminate. We just need to designate things like payment processors and hosting providers as utilities. Your electric company, plumbing company, or mail carrier can't just choose not to do business with someone because they dislike their political views.
Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by magduf on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:01PM (#18765636)
A hosting company isn't a utility. A utility is a monopoly in almost every case (or sometimes a duopoly). There's countless hosting companies out there, and you can make your own too. If you don't like your hosting provider, find another, or set up your own service.

There's lots of payment processors out there too. However, Mastercard and VISA do have an oligopoly, and those deserve a lot more regulation than they currently get, for other reasons than discrimination.

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by manfredo on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:14PM (#18765698)
We're increasingly getting to the point where some technologies have no effective competitor. Even sites like Cloud Flare that have decided to kick people off their service have pointed out the dangers of such a practice: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/

> Someone on our team asked after I announced we were going to terminate the Daily Stormer: "Is this the day the Internet dies?" He was half joking, but only half. He's no fan of the Daily Stormer or sites like it. But he does realize the risks of a company like Cloudflare getting into content policing.

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by magduf on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:48AM (#18770123)
I have a small, personal website. If Cloudflare doesn't like me, it's not a problem, because I don't need their service anyway.

If DS has so much traffic that it needs service from someone like Cloudflare to not collapse under the load, well then maybe some of those people should start their own hosting service that can handle that much load. Otherwise, it seems the DS crowd isn't willing to put their money where their mouth is, so I have no sympathy.

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by apostacy on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @04:40PM (#18765181)
> If you feel that way, you have every right to set up your own platform and allow those people access to it. But if you're giving access to literal Nazis, I also have the right to shun you, which I will. If you want to willingly associate with that type of scum, then I'm going to assume that you're cut from the same cloth.

Who gets to decide what a "nazi" is? You? What if I say you're a nazi? Your denials just make you more guilty. That's exactly what a nazi would say, nazi.