Re:The Machine Learning Race Is Really a Data Race
by Doubleslash on Sunday December 23, 2018 @06:09PM
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Yes. On average the human brain just needs dozens or hundreds of examples (turns, exercises, you name it) to "learn" something. A decent machine learning model needs hundreds of thousands to millions of samples to gain good confidence and can still be fooled easily afterwards with subtile changes.
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Re:The Machine Learning Race Is Really a Data Race
by devxpy on Monday December 24, 2018 @02:48AM
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It might be plausible to consider the extremely large amount of sensory information humans are hooked up with. Computers generally only have very limited amount of sensory information, not to mention the inferiority of electronic sensors compared to the highly sophisticated biological ones.
Re:The Machine Learning Race Is Really a Data Race
by chongli on Tuesday December 25, 2018 @09:58AM
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I'd like to see this put to the test in a situation where sensory information is of no benefit: strategy games.
Alpha Zero got to be so strong at chess through millions of games of self-play. I would like to see how it would fare with only one hundred games, against a human chess beginner with one hundred games under his/her belt.
Re:The Machine Learning Race Is Really a Data Race
by m0zg on Monday December 24, 2018 @01:19AM
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Actually, I don't think this is strictly speaking accurate. In order to train from those dozens/hundreds of samples, human brain needs to first be developed enough by accumulating experience from billions of samples in related domains. This "pre-training" process literally takes years, and it still does not sufficiently prepare some people for some tasks.
Re:The Machine Learning Race Is Really a Data Race
by sbov on Monday December 24, 2018 @04:27AM
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I just think machines are good at some things, and people are good at others. If it really took billions of samples in related domains we wouldn't develop nearly as fast as we do after being born.
Re:The Machine Learning Race Is Really a Data Race
by m0zg on Monday December 24, 2018 @06:24AM
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I'm not sure I'd call it "fast" either. For the first three months babies can barely see anything, and for at least nine they can't form anything even remotely resembling speech and can't walk. What's amazing is that all this learning is very sparsely supervised and all "subsystems" train at the same time.
Re:The Machine Learning Race Is Really a Data Race
by pdimitar on Monday December 24, 2018 @12:27PM
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This is a human peculiarity. Many animal babies are born with fully developed abilities. I am sure we have all seen the NatGeo videos of antelope babies stumbling 2-3 times and then immediately start walking and even running.
Human babies have bigger head-to-body ratio compared to all other species due to our brain being bigger. Our babies have to be born earlier or otherwise they cannot make it out of the mother alive.
Outside of that, we develop pretty quickly. As you pointed out, everything in us is developing in parallel which is quite impressive.
Re:The Machine Learning Race Is Really a Data Race
by kkarakk on Monday December 24, 2018 @02:58AM
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i think it's important to note when people talk about machines vs people they always think about ideal machine vs ideal person - a rigorously educated athletic genius that can infer links between things with a couple of hours of study at most & infer future results of actions with a couple of seconds of thought.
most people aren't like this but on average engineers who are truly innovatively thinking about these problems and creating solutions are. it is just the way it is
Re:The Machine Learning Race Is Really a Data Race
by bumby on Sunday December 23, 2018 @09:01PM
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Your wording is interesting here. Do you mean humans need less data to feel confident or less data to make accurate predictions compared to a ML model? Sorry if I'm parsing your words too much here, just genuinely curious