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Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by wvenable on Friday December 21, 2018 @08:32PM (#18738300)
No, the customers don't want faked information. You don't expect to people to independently test the contents of every item of food just in case the ingredients on the package on faked.

They simply don't know they're being lied to. In most other areas of commerce, that would be illegal.

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by alasdair_ on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:29PM (#18738541)
A remarkably large number of US consumers definitely want fake information: as two brief examples, consider the way weather data in the US is reported (customers get angry if it rains on a “90 percent chance if clear skies” day and customers get angry if their car runs out if fuel when the guage hits “empty”

Interestingly, German consumers want to inow the exact level of petroleum spirits in a tank and will get irritated if they are lied to.

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by perl4ever on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:06PM (#18738678)
When I owned a German car, the speedometer read somewhat too high, compared to Japanese cars that were quite accurate. Also, on German cars I've driven, when they were stopped, the MPG gauge went to the maximum, rather than zero as would be correct. So I infer that German consumers want to be lied to about some things, just perhaps different things.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by bayindirh on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:28AM (#18740921)
In EU, there's an unspoken rule for cars to report speeds inflated by 5%.

This is possibly based on an old research of SAAB which used a reverse logarithmic speedometer, giving feeling of exaggerated acceleration until 120-130 KM/h or so. Then the scale tightened so much that going significantly faster didn't move the speedometer that much. Also the needle hit top left quadrant much faster, hinting that you're going really fast.

Also, EU uses L/100KM concept instead of MPG. When the speed is 0, most cars switch to L/h scale. Toyotas also show an infinity symbol when in MPG mode while the speed is 0.

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by bayindirh on Saturday December 22, 2018 @03:38PM (#18742338)
For anyone interested below are some examples:

1- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Instrume...

2- https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V0RyHPM0mBI/maxresdefault.jpg

I remember the numbers right, but it wasn't reverse logarithmic scale. It was a hard transition at 140KM/h.

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by adrianN on Saturday December 22, 2018 @03:15AM (#18739590)
Are you sure they displayed mpg and not l/100km?
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by bayindirh on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:31AM (#18740937)
Dashboards are user or factory configurable. Our Ford Focus had a button to change between L/100KM and MPG.

My friend's VW Bora's dashboard was OBDII configurable. The options were Japan/US/EU IIRC. Setting to US not only changed it to MPG scale, enabled the door-open beeps. :D

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by adrianN on Saturday December 22, 2018 @12:02PM (#18741354)
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the software internally always computed l/100km and the converted to mpg for display.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by bayindirh on Saturday December 22, 2018 @03:56PM (#18742405)
It's much more direct for car to measure consumption as L/100KM. However the conversion is done by the instrument cluster on the VW. We were connecting to the instrument cluster via CANBUS and changing the setting directly on it. Also the beeps were handled at the cluster, not at the central config.

Car technology is weird...

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by felixfbecker on Saturday December 22, 2018 @03:55AM (#18739715)
The car manufacturers always make their speedometers show a little bit too much (like 10%) to make sure they never show too little (or they would get sued badly and get their cars taken of the streets). We _accept_ that the car companies do this for legal/security reasons, which is very different from _wanting_ them to do it. I would be angry if they did the same if the fuel indicator.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by kortilla on Saturday December 22, 2018 @05:58AM (#18740056)
No they don’t. I have a 2005 ford with a speedometer that matches GPS all of the way up to 85 mph (haven’t tested higher).
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by TomMarius on Saturday December 22, 2018 @01:06PM (#18741687)
I had a 1996 Ford Mondeo that showed 10% more. Then I had 2004 Ford Mondeo and it was 5% more. I sold that one and bought a 2008 Ford Mondeo and it is 5% more. My other car - 1998 Ford Fiesta - is 10% more. I also drove a 2011 Ford Mondeo and it showed more but I hadn't had it long enough to care to calculate how much exactly.

I tested all the cars except the Fiesta up to 230 km/h and the 2008 one up to 260 km/h (it's the 2.5T).

All the cars are/were German except for the Fiesta, that one is Czech.

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by kortilla on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:20PM (#18743066)
Maybe it’s something they do in Europe but not the US.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by bayindirh on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:29AM (#18740926)
Maybe your car GPS is reporting higher? All cars I've driven were reporting %5-%10 more.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by kortilla on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:19PM (#18743061)
It’s not a car gps. It’s a receiver on a phone. That can’t be wrong by that much or the position would be wrong.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by amyjess on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:49AM (#18741291)
Japanese customers, too. Back in the day, there was a gentleman's agreement among Japanese automakers to limit power output of JDM cars to 276 hp.

In reality, Japanese performance cars were all spectacularly underrated. Your "276 hp" sports coupe is probably making 350 hp. It was more of a gentleman's agreement to lie about power figures than anything else.

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by geofft on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:21PM (#18738718)
Customers can and do independently test their products when they care, from the UL to review sites to kosher certification to gluten-free certification to animal welfare standards at grocery store deli counters. The free market is adequately capable of answering these questions.

When customers actually care enough to pass a law, they can. That's why certain practices are illegal. Other ones aren't because they don't want their taxes increased to fund investigations they don't care about. When the government starts enforcing protections for people's own good because they know better, you no longer have a free market.

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by aerotwelve on Sunday December 23, 2018 @01:34AM (#18744789)
Technically, the government determines what qualifies "certified gluten-free", at least in the USA[1]. It probably belongs more in the "when customers care enough to pass a law" section than the "self-regulation" section.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_Allergen_Labeling_and_Con...

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by megablast on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:38PM (#18738581)
They are getting faked info. You run out there and tell them, see how many switch.