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Re:Experiment: Recoil vs. Muzzle Velocity by mannykannot on Friday December 21, 2018 @04:41PM (#18736926)
Is there any plausible physical model in which the difference in velocity of the bullet, on account of the recoil, could be greater than the change in velocity of the barrel over the time that the bullet is traveling in it? With the bullet taking 2ms to leave the barrel, and maximum recoil acceleration of 100 ft/sec/sec, that effect would seem to be at least two orders of magnitude smaller than the 20 ft/sec claimed in the article that prompted this project.

The one extra thing I can think of so far is that the recoil reduces the effective length of the barrel by the distance it has moved by the time the bullet exits the muzzle, but again that seems too small an effect (~0.2 millifeet, four orders of magnitude less than the barrel length?)

Re:Experiment: Recoil vs. Muzzle Velocity by wizdumb on Friday December 21, 2018 @04:56PM (#18737044)
There are several physics equations (some I linked to in the article) which discuss this topic. One of the main takeaways I learned from running this experiment and doing some of the math was that my rifle is 900x heavier than the bullet, which is why it is able to accelerate so much faster and leave before the rifle/barrel move at all.

It does bring up a good point though, which I'll cover in the article where I deep-dive into the physics: Knowing the acceleration of the rifle, I should be able to calculate how far it has moved in the same amount of time it took for the bullet to leave.

Thanks for taking the time to read it, and for your feedback!

Re:Experiment: Recoil vs. Muzzle Velocity by trhway on Saturday December 22, 2018 @12:34AM (#18739125)
I agree. Recoil or no recoil, the bullet moves the same in the reference frame of the rifle. Proportionally to the masses ratio, the bullet acceleration is about 500x-1000x the rifle acceleration, thus the speed of rifle reference frame in the recoil case at the moment of the bullet leaving the muzzle would be just about 3-6ft/s - an order of magnitude difference vs. claimed 20ft/s.

Edit: forgot about the powder which as hot gas is subjected to pretty much the same acceleration as the bullet. With the powder being about 2-4x bullet mass it makes the rifle only 150x-300x heavier than the [bullet+powder] and that brings us to the 20-10ft/s of the rifle recoil speed, ie the article claim pretty closely matches the theory.

Re:Experiment: Recoil vs. Muzzle Velocity by mannykannot on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:02AM (#18741075)
A good point, but the puzzle is, though, that the author isn't recording those sort of velocities (or, rather, the acceleration that would lead to them) while the round is in the barrel.

Not all the gas reaches the bullet speed. We might guess that it averages half that, but that is assuming, I think, a uniform density and complete gasification of the charge (though with regard to the latter, is there a reason for there being a larger charge than that?)

This argument also suggests that the recoil firing blanks would be a substantial fraction of the recoil with a live round, which is not how I recall it.