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Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by rchaud on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:17PM (#18729205)
I am in my 30s too, and I remember reading articles saying that DHS had hundreds of thousands of hours of wiretapped conversations they would never get to because they all needed to be manually reviewed.

When the company selling a suspiciously cheap home speaker ('stocking stuffer') is the same company that boasts of having infinitely scalable computing ability and is the only cloud vendor that meets the Pentagon's procurement requirements, people are justified in thinking that Amazon's ambitions go beyond 'making it easier to order online'.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by closetohome on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:36PM (#18729365)
Just so I'm clear here, you're proposing a conspiracy theory where Amazon, the DHS, and The Pentagon are in collusion to collect and transcribe audio from Amazon Echos -- in such a way that none of the many people who have hacked and extensively reverse-engineered them would be able to tell?

I can't find any holes in that theory.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by whatshisface on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:00PM (#18729545)
The people who have "hacked and reverse engineered" the Echos don't have access to what happens on the server side. We are facing a situation of either trusting or not trusting, because verification isn't possible.

There should be a word for believing that someone is working for your interests even though you have no reason to, as a counterpart to "conspiracy theory" which implies that you believe that a group is working against your interests without having a good reason to. It's like people have a conspiracy theory where Amazon is conspiring in secret to help them.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by blacksmith_tb on Thursday December 20, 2018 @07:17PM (#18730460)
I'm not sure I follow - just capturing packets from them tells you how much they're sending to their respective motherships, e.g.[1].

Amazon of course is not exactly conspiring to try and get me to buy more stuff from them (they're very upfront about it), which makes them both more crass and also easier to trust in some ways than Google.

1: https://www.iot-tests.org/2017/06/careless-whisper-does-amaz...

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by wwweston on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:46PM (#18729905)
"Credulous" is the boring existing term, I think.

I might enjoy "barnummark" or "candidable."

Some might use the term "optimist" in this sense. Whether it's fair or unfair to call them cynics is left as an exercise for the reader.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by whatshisface on Thursday December 20, 2018 @06:04PM (#18730047)
None of those words have the same bite, in that they don't imply the belief is unfounded and probably wrong.
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by ringshall on Thursday December 20, 2018 @10:53PM (#18731304)
Credulous does, at least to me. I've always considered it a pejorative term.
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by Izkata on Thursday December 20, 2018 @07:02PM (#18730381)
Maybe "naive belief"? Almost rhymes, too, so easy to say/remember.
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by krageon on Friday December 21, 2018 @05:48AM (#18732573)
There is a word for people like that. In fact, there are many. It's just that they're very, very rude words that we shouldn't use in polite discourse.

If people have a conspiracy theory about secretly being helped by a large faceless power, that would probably fall under the label "pronoia".

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by closetohome on Friday December 21, 2018 @01:09PM (#18735175)
I think the most relevant term to this discussion is Hitchens's razor.
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by vertexFarm on Thursday December 20, 2018 @07:08PM (#18730411)
It wouldn't have to be perfectly covert. Also it wouldn't have to be purposeful, spooky collusion between private and public sector from the start. That's an unfair assumption and a bit of a straw-man. What's going to happen is Amazon and others will develop methods to collect ambient data at all times and sift through it efficiently for marketing info--come on, you know for a fact that they are doing that--and eventually there will be another fucking patriot act, some awful legislation that is blatantly unconstitutional but nobody cares and brows are furrowed and think-pieces are typed up but the law goes through regardless--the feds will eventually subpoena the massive cache of data Amazon owns, they'll make a bit of a show of resisting for PR's sake, but eventually law enforcement will get it. And maybe they'll use it to solve a legit case, they probably really will. But forever after that tool will be in the hands of whatever regime or agenda reaches office. It's not ridiculous and people shouldn't dismiss it so easily.

Infosec conspiracy theories are different from normal conspiracy theories because while normal ones are pretty much always bullshit, infosec paranoia is always proven sensible on a long enough timeline. Yes, there will be an incident sometime soon where law enforcement builds a case through evidence gathered with a virtual assistant using AI or something to sift through all that audio. The constitutionality of this evidence-gathering will be superficially questioned but it'll end up getting admitted anyways, or used sneakily via parallel construction techniques. Assuming it hasn't already happened.

They've already done it with phones. Providers and manufacturers used to resist, but after lots of murky "national security" legislation they can't really refuse anymore. Ever read about how the stingray was first discovered, and that law enforcement was sneakily using it extra-legally to build cases? Now it's pretty common knowledge that your phone can be tricked by a fake cell tower and there's nothing you can really do. But does anyone give a single shit? Nah. It's normalized. Every successive technology that is developed and added to the panopticon toolkit will make us more and more accustomed to it. There's been enough overreaches and abuses of technology already that you shouldn't have this blase attitude about it. But that's not how people really work.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by jkaptur on Thursday December 20, 2018 @07:21PM (#18730483)
https://gizmodo.com/amazon-agrees-to-hand-over-data-in-echo-...

Not exactly as you described, but fairly close.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by mcbutterbunz on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:01PM (#18729557)
I wouldn't argue that is the case here but I do remember a small non-descript room inside an AT&T building that the NSA had access to...
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by lghh on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:52PM (#18729490)
What hacking and reverse engineering have been done on the servers that back the Alexa network?
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by llampx on Friday December 21, 2018 @08:10AM (#18733060)
If you've been following the news for the past few months or years, you should know that this conspiracy theory has a higher chance of being true than not.
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by dbdjfjrjvebd on Friday December 21, 2018 @01:21AM (#18731745)
I agree the idea that a defence contractor might be working together with the Pentagon is totally preposterous. </sarcasm>