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Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by pmontra on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:41PM (#18728371)
You can opt out of basically every Google login/tracking in Android, except the Play store. I know because I'm logged out of everything and I disable location services. Google Maps keeps working.

What I don't understand is why they have to store voice recordings instead of deleting them once they understand the vocal command. There could be a number of reasons and I don't like any of them.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by bduerst on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:54PM (#18729033)
>What I don't understand is why they have to store voice recordings instead of deleting them once they understand the vocal command.

They don't have to. You can disable it at https://myactivity.google.com

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by bootaccount on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:06PM (#18728623)
try disabling Google Maps location access permission. For me it triggers an endless loop requesting Location permission, rendering the app unusable.

Google's always mining data behind the scenes and gapps are constantly phoning home, your "opt-out" preferences are meaningless.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by cc439 on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:43PM (#18729886)
This is one of those massive privacy violations that I cannot believe has been allowed to exist as long as it has without people making a concerted effort against it. I remember way back in the early days of Android when it was excused for reasons of allowing Google's live traffic mapping feature to work.

That excuse made sense in a time where public trust in these companies was justifiably high but it's turned into a situation where the major tech giants have the power to become a modern day Stasi on steroids (and increasingly show their willingness to play that role). We had to place enormous trust in these company's ethics (mostly on a subconscious level as they all used to go to great lengths to afford us the ability to implicitly trust them) in order for the smartphone/mobile revolution to occur. Now that these devices are a necessity in modern society, they've all dropped the pretenses that allowed us to trust anything to do with the information they're collecting.

We're living in a cyberpunk dystopia and I don't see an easy way out.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by Drdrdrq on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:18PM (#18728714)
Fortunately OSMand works reliably (and offline).
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by IshKebab on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:10PM (#18728650)
It's to train their speech recognition and intent recognition systems. They probably also use the data to prioritise which queries they add support for.
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by drewmol on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:02PM (#18728586)
>except the Play store

Workaround:

1)Install F-Droid (f-droid.org) 2) Install Yalp Store from F-Droid

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by snazz on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:50PM (#18728991)
Even if you do this, on a standard Android device, there is still Google Play Services installed, which has every permission available on your device. You have to install a fresh custom ROM like LineageOS without GApps to avoid this.
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by drewmol on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:15PM (#18729658)
Good point. You should install LineageOS first, you can then select the GApps bundle size you need or try and replace them with FOSS alternatives. For me, Yalp Store has made using LineageOS + minimal, permission sandboxed google services a bearable experience.
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by mcny on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:01PM (#18728583)
> What I don't understand is why they have to store voice recordings instead of deleting them once they understand the vocal command. There could be a number of reasons and I don't like any of them.

Not that I have any insider information but a while back someone made a post on reddit about what baffles them about their work and they had a job where they basically listened to very short voice clips and saw something on the screen and they had to decide whether it was the right word on the screen or not.

Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by jetrink on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:27PM (#18728798)
There are tons of phone systems that use speech recognition and warn you that you are being recorded for quality assurance purposes. I would assume those recordings come from that type of system. Google and Amazon have been clear that humans will not be listening to the recordings.
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by bena on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:15PM (#18728685)
Are you trying to say these home assistants are basically mechanical Turks?
Re:Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person by andrei_says_ on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:26PM (#18728786)
Most likely the human verification is not in real time but for quality improvements after the facts.

In case you weren’t joking.