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Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by joshstrange on Thursday December 20, 2018 @11:23AM (#18726224)
> people turning off JS (Yes people do this. Yes it's totally valid, and their right as a user).

Fine, and they can go somewhere else. I'm sorry but I'm not about to consider this TINY percentage of users the same way I don't consider the TINY percentage of people accessing sites I work on from horribly outdated browsers.

The next sentence applies to web APPS, not blogs/news sites/etc.

People that say websites should gracefully fallback to non-JS web app when a user accesses the website with JS disabled are crazy. FULL STOP. PERIOD. You either end up dumbing down the entire experience for everyone OR maintaining 2 websites. Neither of which is financially sound for the vast majority of companies/developers given the percentage of people who don't use JS.

Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by eponeponepon on Thursday December 20, 2018 @11:35AM (#18726331)
A similarly tiny percentage of your users are blind. Another tiny percentage are dyslexic. How many different tiny percentages can you justifiably invite to "go somewhere else"?
Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by mortivore on Thursday December 20, 2018 @11:40AM (#18726390)
A lot. Many developers don't even develop with blind people in mind at all. There are standards for sites that want to cater to those people, but most sites don't follow those standards.
Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by d357r0y3r on Thursday December 20, 2018 @11:41AM (#18726408)
For a business, at least in the United States, this is basically a financial projection problem. Unlike brick and mortar stores, there is no requirement to make web content accessible to handicapped people.
Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by dotcode on Thursday January 03, 2019 @05:45AM (#18814208)
>there is no requirement to make web content accessible to handicapped people.

Yes there is: the Americans with Disabilities Act. Many private businesses in the States have been - and are currently being - litigated against under said act.

The mandate of the ADA is to provide "full and equal enjoyment" of a public accommodation’s goods, services, facilities, and privileges. Places of public accommodation include, "place[s] of exhibition and entertainment", "places[s] of recreation", and "service establishments". The vast majority of websites are therefore "place[s] of public accommodation", are bound by the requirements of Section 508, and - since roughly this time last year - are required to meet WCAG 2.0 AA (https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/commun...).

In the States businesses are also required to meet the requirements of various human and civil rights laws enacted by states and cities.

And if your company has an international presence, it's also covered under whatever legislation exists in those jurisdictions.

Basically: hell yeah there are requirements to make web content accessible to disabled people. Almost whatever you do, wherever you do it, will be covered to some degree by legislation designed to prevent discrimination.

Of course the existence of financial/technical incentives are good reasons for businesses to make sites accessible, regardless of any legal requirements.

Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by rchaud on Thursday December 20, 2018 @11:53AM (#18726531)
Why does their need to be a requirement? Making a website accessible to individuals using screen readers is the right thing to do; it shouldn't need to be mandated.
Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by joshstrange on Thursday December 20, 2018 @12:11PM (#18726749)
> it shouldn't need to be mandated.

When have you ever know a for-profit business to care if it's not mandated? They only care if it affects the bottom line. As a developer at a company I don't have a ton of say over what we spend time on accessibility-wise and even if I was able to get that code in the QA time to test it would never be approved.

Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by d357r0y3r on Thursday December 20, 2018 @12:12PM (#18726764)
I'm not saying there does need to be a requirement.

Businesses are not charity. If it doesn't make financial sense to make their website accessible, then they won't unless they're forced to. I'm making no value judgments, this is simply the reality on the ground.

Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by dotcode on Thursday January 03, 2019 @09:24AM (#18815263)
> Businesses are not charity […] I'm making no value judgements

… except that you appear to adjudge a negative financial value to accessibility compliance, when in fact the opposite is true.

Re:Dear Developer, the Web Isn't About You by mortivore on Thursday December 20, 2018 @11:45AM (#18726460)
>there is no requirement to make web content accessible to handicapped people.

Unless that web content is used or maintained by the United States federal government.