Re:Alphabet spinoff Malta raises $26M for technology to stor...
by garyclarke27 on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:23AM
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Thanks - funny how diesel locomotives stay iddling for hours, yet our diesel cars now turn off when stopped for just a few seconds - due to idiotic CO2 related testing and legislation.
Result, a horrible experience of noise and lurching, often every few minutes in traffic, less responsive so less safe, more engine ware, all for zero fuel actually saved.
Re:Alphabet spinoff Malta raises $26M for technology to stor...
by cerebellum42 on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:19AM
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Start-Stop in cars does save a considerable amount, which is a fact that can easily be verified, so you pretty much disqualified yourself there with "for zero fuel actually saved"...
The additional wear is not on the engine itself but on the starter components and those are simply designed for the additional load so that they can deal with the starts and stops.
Re:Alphabet spinoff Malta raises $26M for technology to stor...
by 08-15 on Thursday December 20, 2018 @08:21AM
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A "considerable amount", huh? Can you please verify it for us and put a number on it? How much is it over the lifetime of a typical family car?
Re:Alphabet spinoff Malta raises $26M for technology to stor...
by edmundsauto on Friday December 21, 2018 @12:44PM
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Looks like around 10%. https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/do-stop-start-s...
Gas turbines can start quickly but its said to be very expensive to do the startup. Its better to run them idle than have to cold start.
If the goal is to remove steam energy sources from coal and gas and oil, I get this. But if you have them, and you have efficiency from constant operating load, then rather than incurr start and stop cost, its better to store, even with wastage.
Back when I was a trainspotter, I used to hang at loco sheds and I asked a driver once why so many diesel locos ran idle doing nothing. he said that starting from cold was a pain. They costed it, and it worked out ok to run idle at their fuel cost, rather than have to restart. I think this is a similar moment.
So basically, I think you may have inverted the thing a bit. You can ignore free-energy inputs like wind and solar, but its wasteful so if you can't shed load in coal, its worth storing energy from solar and wind, meantime. If you have total excess energy from all sources, its worth storing it from anything which it is costly to stop-start, and you might as well store everything you can, to the capacity of storage.
Because wind and solar cannot guarantee supply in specific situations, storage can turn them into reliable power (albiet at lower intensity than the wallplate, because the storage either runs down too soon, or can't deliver as much peak)
Thats what I am reading anyway. This all feels like a classic complex linear programming optimisation problem for wiser people in power engineering economics.