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Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by cogman10 on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @08:30PM (#18721762)
No, I'm saying that, today, copyright holders are submitting DMCA take down notices on content that does not contain copyrighted material at all. Not even under the fair use clause.

There is hard evidence to counter those notices, but ultimately nobody ends up taking it to court because it is too expensive.

See: https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/youtube-copyright-claims-t...

Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by epmaybe on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @08:43PM (#18721839)
Please note that in your linked article, the very end states:

"Last week, YouTube removed the claim from the flagger who said TheFatRat was using copyrighted material, and less than a day after Johnson filed a dispute on his video, the flagger released that claim. That means both YouTubers shouldn’t have to worry anymore about those specific videos.

Neither TheFatRat nor Johnson returned emails from the Daily Dot to see if they were satisfied with the outcome."

This implies that the content creators resolved their problems before getting traction on the published article. However, I will grant you the obvious point here that these content creators that were able to resolve their problems have a huge following, compared to the majority of content creators that don't have the same voice, so maybe this isn't the same for everyone. derefr who also commented below says that it should be the same for anyone who receives a DMCA takedown notice.

Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by hrktb on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:22PM (#18722248)
One prevalent issue is that even if on youtube the situation is solved easily (i.e. the counter claim is reviewed and everything put back in place in a timely manner) the channel will usualy have missed most of its monetization window. Especialy if the case goes viral and and everyone looks at some side loaded video in the meantime, almost nobody will go back to watch ads on the restored video.

In that sense just claiming ownership of a track will deter most other creators to make money from it, even if they can use it. Actualy I think during the time the copyright claim is upheld any ad money done at that point goes to the alegde owner and is not reversed even if the claim is debunked, but I might be wrong.

Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by ndnxhs on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:00PM (#18722158)
The problem is YouTube heavily prioritizes new content so if your video goes offline for a day you just lost the majority of the profit from it. Its also ridiculous how YouTube presumes guilt. Your video should stay online while a dispute is handled.
Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by icebraining on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:11AM (#18723262)
That's how the law works. If YouTube were to start leaving the videos up, the complainers would just start sending proper DMCA takedown notices, and YouTube would be forced to take it down promptly.
Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by bencollier49 on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:48AM (#18723615)
But then if the takedowns were incorrect, the people sending them would have proper liability.
Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by kilotaras on Thursday December 20, 2018 @06:19AM (#18723980)
AFAIK the only DMCA penalty is if you aren't authorized to represent copyright owner, not if your claim isn't valid.
Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday December 20, 2018 @07:34AM (#18724360)
Well naturally showing (rather than necessarily legally sound) it would be fraud and/or libel.

But I understand the USA legal system doesn't automatically award costs to an injured party, so in practice noone cab afford to challenge any large media corp.

Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by derefr on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @08:35PM (#18721789)
You don’t need to “take it to court”; if the recipient of the DMCA complaint says to the host that they disagree with the DMCA takedown notice, the host is required by the DMCA to put the content back up (or, at least, return it to whatever state it would be in if the DMCA takedown notice didn’t happen), and it is then the responsibility of the complainant to take the other party to court.

Which the complainant will never do, in these cases where it’s obvious that it was just an overzealous algorithm flagging things it shouldn’t have—because actually pursuing damages for those situations are exactly the type of thing that make a judge issue contempt-of-court charges.

Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by burfog on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:02AM (#18723016)
Who responds to the DMCA complaint if the content uploader is missing, for example if they have died?

It looks trivial to wipe out everything via a DMCA complaint. All you have to do is wait until the uploader is unable to respond. Given enough time, this happens to all human uploaders. Nothing is safe. This part of our cultural history can be wiped from existence.

Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by SpaceManiac on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @08:41PM (#18721821)
Most YouTube copyright complaints are not actually DMCA complaints. The complainant is just asking YouTube nicely (whether that be manually, automated on their side, or automated on YouTube's side) and YouTube is complying of its own volition. 4J of their terms: "YouTube reserves the right to discontinue any aspect of the Service at any time."
Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by kevinwang on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:19PM (#18722233)
I'm pretty sure that if YouTube did not "comply if its own volition" for these kinds of claims, they would be in violation of DMCA.
Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by cyphar on Thursday December 20, 2018 @01:33AM (#18722925)
ContentID doesn't operate through DMCA notices. People often conflate the two, but in the case of ContentID there are no legally mandated remedies like there are with DMCA notices.
Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by gboudrias on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:31PM (#18722272)
Yes, but YouTube is being absolutely overzealous for no legal reason. Rather, I think it serves the double purpose of keeping the government (and regulation) very far away, while pandering to big content producers at the same time.
Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by dbdjfjrjvebd on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:40AM (#18723133)
Except that the DMCA troll just repeats the takedown notice. What should happen is that a lawyer making fraudulent DMCA notices should be held liable.
Re:For First Time in More Than 20 Years, Copyrighted Works W... by jnellis on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @08:42PM (#18721829)
DMCA take down notices on 1923 content will be a thing you say?