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Re:SpaceX Is Raising $500M at a $30.5B Valuation by dogma1138 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @04:02PM (#18710533)
I don’t think you understand what the Shuttle did for the ISS it’s not about it being a launch platform but about it being a huge EVA and construction platform from which in orbit construction operations could be run.

We have no way to do any major service to the ISS now without the shuttle and the ISS retrofit was the main reason for the deferral in the Shuttles retirement.

Re:SpaceX Is Raising $500M at a $30.5B Valuation by avar on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @05:36PM (#18711245)
As the Soviet/Russian Mir showed you don't need some shuttle-like vehicle to construct such a station. Mir was 130 tons, and almost exclusively launched by Proton-K's, which have a 20 ton mass to LEO.

By comparison the Saturn V has a 140 ton mass to LEO, 7x what the Proton-K could carry, and more importantly could have carried modules double the diameter of what the shuttle could put into LEO.

The unique selling point of the shuttle was the ability to return payloads from orbit to the ground for servicing, but as it turns out that was much more expensive than having a cheaper launcher and just launching another module.

Let's not draw the wrong conclusions from history. The shuttle was a failed launch system by any reasonable criteria. History has shown that plain old boring boosters were the right choice. The Soviets/Russians have been able to launch things to the ISS after the US lost its wings.

The only reason we have "no way to do any major service to the ISS" is not because the shuttle was so great, but because it was a dead end. The US has had to play catch-up with the COTS program with SpaceX et al.

Re:SpaceX Is Raising $500M at a $30.5B Valuation by dogma1138 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @07:19PM (#18711882)
No if anything MIR shows us is just how much we needed the shuttle.

MIR wasn’t only 4 times smaller than the ISS in terms of tonnage but it’s design was the same as the Salyut and Skylab the ISS was the first thing we can say we actually constructed in orbit.

Re:SpaceX Is Raising $500M at a $30.5B Valuation by orbital-decay on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @09:17PM (#18712487)
There's nothing indispensable in the Shuttle design. All of the ISS construction operations could have been done with a (possibly specialized) traditional spacecraft. Non-autonomous USOS-style module delivery and berthing, truss mounting, EVAs etc. Shuttle has been used in ISS construction just because it was available.

The only thing that could have been somewhat complicated without Shuttle capabilities was returning the Mir solar panels, for detailed analysis of their faster-than-expected degradation.

Re:SpaceX Is Raising $500M at a $30.5B Valuation by avar on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @08:14AM (#18715342)
This article discusses the return of the Mir solar panels:

https://www.americaspace.com/2012/12/20/what-do-mirs-solar-a...

That payload is small enough that it could have been put on a reentry capsule if it wasn't for the Space Shuttle.