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Re:Firing Frankness by baldfat on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:12PM (#18709588)
His firing led to Be OS!

That was the the prime example of the better tech losing. I know most of us know about it but to actually use it was totally different. I couldn't get a low resolution video to play but on Be OS I could have 12 high resolution videos play at the same time move them around and if I unplug my computer I can boot up and the videos would all start back up right where they left off.

Re:Firing Frankness by stcredzero on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @03:03PM (#18710033)
That was the the prime example of the better tech losing.

You have to have marketing and market fit with tech that's good enough. That's the lesson of history, time and time again.

Re:Firing Frankness by achillesheels on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @07:45PM (#18712015)
I really wish engineers understood that, while product is difficult to nail, it’s at most 40% of the solution. Because of their lack of professional customer-facing, engineers can’t apprehend how much friction exists in the market; mostly from just the ordinary regularity of people’s daily lives.
Re:Firing Frankness by stcredzero on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @12:18PM (#18717286)
I'm an engineer who really wishes engineers understood this better.
Re:Firing Frankness by DannyB2 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:42PM (#18709801)
I was hoping Be OS would be the OS that Apple would pick when it failed at writing it's own new OS. But noooooo, they had to pick NeXT, and bring back Steve Jobs, and the rest is history. Apple is still about tech, to a degree. But not like the days when Apple was a great tech company. Now Apple seems to be more about fashion.
Re:Firing Frankness by dangoor on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:59PM (#18709985)
> Apple is still about tech, to a degree. But not like the days when Apple was a great tech company. Now Apple seems to be more about fashion.

I don't think that's true. Apple is a lot more mass market than they used to be, but the tech that goes into their products is quite advanced. For example, the iPad Pro benchmarks that put Apple's CPU in the same class as the Intel CPU used in MacBook Pros is pure tech. There's nothing fashionable about a CPU.

Apple's Face ID recently passed a hacking test that other facial recognition systems failed. The latest Apple Watch has an ECG. Perhaps health is fashionable, but that's also tech built into a tiny product.

Apple's camera tech consistently scores near the top of the pack.

I'm not arguing their products are perfect or anything of that sort. I just don't think it's fair to characterize Apple as being more about fashion than tech, because I think they're quite busy pushing tech forward on mass market products.

Re:Firing Frankness by protomyth on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @07:52PM (#18712056)
Having both a BeOS box and NeXTSTEP box at the time, I was pretty glad they picked NeXT. I love BeOS, but NeXTSTEP was the superior OS on the whole including development story. BeOS had some really great line items, but it had some big holes too. Be just didn't have the time to get it all done.

That being said, I do wish Haiku well because I get the feeling that it really could be great.

Re:Firing Frankness by setpatchaddress on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:15AM (#18713493)
One of the big marks against BeOS in that fight was the lack of printer support. That sort of thing still mattered in 1996-1997.

I don’t know. A BeOS-based MacOS would’ve been ready for prime time years before Mac OS X was. And one suspects the Finder would have been usable. But there would be no iPhone.

Re:Firing Frankness by protomyth on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:39AM (#18713581)
A BeOS-based MacOS would’ve been ready for prime time years before Mac OS X was.

I'm not so sure. NeXTSTEP was pretty stable. I get the feeling that a lot of the delay had little to do with NeXTSTEP and much more to do with Apple and Adobe/Microsoft. Plus, the development environment was no where near as good on BeOS.

Re:Firing Frankness by waddlesplash on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @08:43PM (#18712353)
Or you could do more than wish Haiku well and give us a hand developing it :)
Re:Firing Frankness by protomyth on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @09:14PM (#18712476)
I have my own dream these days.