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Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by int_19h on Monday December 17, 2018 @10:16PM (#18704283)
According to the rumors, Dragonfly goes far beyond censorship, in that it has provisions to identify specific people from search queries. So it's not just that searching for "Tiananmen Square" wouldn't give any useful results, but it'd also let the Big Brother know who was inappropriately curious.

Combine this with their upcoming social credit system, and you can easily see how this is proactively helping build an authoritarian panopticon dystopia.

Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by ychen306 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @01:20AM (#18704873)
> but it'd also let the Big Brother know who was inappropriately curious.

This changed my opinion. I thought the controversy was unwarranted; after all it's what many people in China wants. It's good that Google doesn't follow through.

Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by kkarakk on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @05:11AM (#18705567)
people in china don't get a say. many are already irritated by the new points system but are afraid to speak out. china spins every further towards implosion
Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by sirk1882 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @08:29AM (#18706253)
It's a foolish endeavour not to believe that China is capable of identifying every single citizen based on their internet traffic.

Ad companies have already been doing it for years. As entertaining as Black Mirror is, the episode featuring just such a scenario in China of being capable linking real life identities to online and offline activities for the purposes of a dystopic and a just plain shitty world is very possible. In addition, it's incredibly likely what will happen in China with the social credit system will be much worse than anything you'd see in Black Mirror.

Imagine a world where you could curb the enthusiasm of the entire population for democratic activities or activities that run contrary to state directives. Oh, you said something bad about some mundane activity. Your phone used voice recognition technology to pass that up to the state censor bot. The punitive measures taken can then be expected to occur up to and including an obligatory re-education.

"I pledge allegiance to the great firewall of China and the government of China. I will never make disparaging remarks about any state run corporation or agency, in private and especially not in public ever again."

The State panopticon: VOICE RECOGNITION CONFIRMED SAY THREE HAIL CHINAS AND CONTINUE TO INDOCTRINATION CAMP 3 FOR FURTHER RE-EDUCATION ACTIVITIES

Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by gaius on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @03:27AM (#18705239)
it has provisions to identify specific people from search queries

It associates every query with a phone number, not sure what it does for desktops, street address maybe.

Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by Antonio123123 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @03:42AM (#18705281)
I think google.com also associates your queries with you account/location/fingerprint.

I think the issue it that it provides API for the government to process this data.

Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by srkmno on Monday December 17, 2018 @10:30PM (#18704330)
It's what all companies there are required to do and the Chinese people accept it, and a lot of them welcome the social credit system (according to reporting on the program) it's arrogant to to presume we know what's best for them.
Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by int_19h on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @05:27AM (#18705608)
> it's arrogant to to presume we know what's best for them

Demanding that Google withdraw from this project is not about "what's best for them". It's about what we are okay with. There's nothing stopping China from implementing the same stuff without help from American corporations, and they're not in any way entitled to such help, so withholding it doesn't presume anything.

Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by joejerryronnie on Monday December 17, 2018 @11:21PM (#18704506)
>and a lot of them welcome the social credit system

The first rule of the social credit system: do not disparage the social credit system.

Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by julienreszka on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @12:02AM (#18704637)
Turns out you seem to not believe in your own moral values as your are ready to give them up
Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by usepgp on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @03:43AM (#18705283)
*han Chinese people

the minorities are the ones who will predominantly get the short end of the deal here

Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by Zhenya on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:18AM (#18705048)
" it's arrogant to to presume we know what's best for them."

Would you say the same for the victims of the khemr rouge, millions killed by Stalin?

Maybe the yellow stars helped the Jewish people gather for the Sabbath? /S

Basic human rights are not relative.

Re:Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After I... by Zhenya on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @09:53AM (#18706732)
Downvotes!!!! China-apologist brigade in full effect.

Why not tell me how you disagree?