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Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by _nickwhite on Monday December 17, 2018 @11:25AM (#18699902)
Since I haven't seen it posted yet, an invaluable tool for sifting through fake vs real Amazon reviews is fakespot.com. They use AI to score every product and crawl an item's review tree (reviews left by the same people for other products) to verify the authenticity of individual reviewers. I've sifted out a lot of shady products AND sellers using this. (I'm not affiliated in any way with them.)
Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by jacobtwotwo on Monday December 17, 2018 @11:35AM (#18699969)
I've been using this for a good part of the last year and it's definitely helped me dodge a few bullets that were in my cart. I would love if the creator made a browser add-on.
Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by jeron on Monday December 17, 2018 @11:49AM (#18700087)
if Amazon doesn't want to address this issue by fixing its reviews, it should just acquire/incorporate Fakespot itself
Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by tachyonbeam on Monday December 17, 2018 @12:33PM (#18700453)
It seems to me like one of the basic things Amazon should do is... Only allow reviews from people who have actually bought the product, and had time to receive it in the mail. I know, what a mind boggling concept.

This reminds me of the hateful comments that plague YouTube. Most of them come from accounts that only ever post hate comments. Would it be so fucking hard to write a heuristic that tags users constantly getting their comments downvoted so that someone can review them? Then, if they fail the review, you mute them for 6 months, delete all their comments, but let them think their comments are still visible. Maybe let all the haters see each other's comments and reply to one another so they can live in their own parallel universe of hate. These problems are not hard to solve. There is a lack of will to solve them.

Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by slantyyz on Monday December 17, 2018 @01:17PM (#18700783)
>> Only allow reviews from people who have actually bought the product, and had time to receive it in the mail. I know, what a mind boggling concept.

Sorry, but that's not going to help at all. After Amazon banned incentivized reviews, pretty much all the sellers contacted the reviewers to buy products and then get reimbursed by PayPal. Sure, it's against the rules, but it's not being enforced.

They're not even hard to spot. I stopped doing incentivized reviews after the rule change, but I can see that a lot of the other reviewers are still reviewing a lot of stuff as verified purchasers. I know they're not real because I turned down offers from sellers to review the same products after the rule-change.

The worst part is that these reviews are even less honest than when incentivized reviews were allowed. Not all incentivized reviewers were shills (I tried hard to review stuff honestly - I would guess maybe a third of incentivized reviewers did as well). In the post-incentivized-review world, however, everyone who is participating an a verified purchase sham is giving 5 star reviews.

Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by tivert on Monday December 17, 2018 @03:09PM (#18701734)
> Sorry, but that's not going to help at all. After Amazon banned incentivized reviews, pretty much all the sellers contacted the reviewers to buy products and then get reimbursed by PayPal. Sure, it's against the rules, but it's not being enforced.

Source for that: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/how-merchant...

If you have a Facebook account, you can find those groups easily. Though you may have to search for obfuscations like "AZON".

Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by slantyyz on Monday December 17, 2018 @04:09PM (#18702243)
While I get that those groups exist, the sellers didn't have to do any new work to "convert" their existing reviewers.

Most if not all of the top-ranked incentivized reviewers already had longstanding communications with sellers via email.

Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by oflannabhra on Monday December 17, 2018 @12:52PM (#18700611)
Amazon actually marks such reviews as "Verified Purchase". The issue is that the upside of a good review is typically worth more to a vendor than the cost of the product.

Vendors typically will pay above the cost of their product for a single good review.

Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by jeron on Monday December 17, 2018 @12:53PM (#18700615)
they've probably done an analysis and there's probably so many hate-commenters that muting them would significantly decrease their DAUs or something
Re:How Scammers in China Manipulate Amazon [video] by vkou on Monday December 17, 2018 @03:33PM (#18701902)
Fake review mills will happily sell people products, and refund their purchase price + a gift card, in exchange for a good review.