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Re:Venezuela Forcibly Converts Pensions into Petro by chrisseaton on Monday December 17, 2018 @05:46AM (#18698143)
Maduro definitely describes himself and his policies as socialist. Socialists in other countries like Corbyn also describe him and his policies as socialist and have supported him. I think he and his policies are undeniably socialist.
Re:Venezuela Forcibly Converts Pensions into Petro by v768 on Monday December 17, 2018 @05:56AM (#18698182)
Corbyn described Chavez as socialist, not Maduro. Maduro has undone the "socialist" stuff that Chavez had more or less enhanced like free healthcare and free education. Maduro certainly labels himself as socialist but, living in Venezuela, I can't identify any socialist policies going on.
Re:Venezuela Forcibly Converts Pensions into Petro by chrisseaton on Monday December 17, 2018 @06:05AM (#18698213)
Still lots of support for Maduro from Corbyn and his team.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/fact-check-corbynista-...

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Re:Venezuela Forcibly Converts Pensions into Petro by arielserafini on Monday December 17, 2018 @05:46AM (#18698138)
there's no arguing with a well-though-out argument, I guess.

did you mean to post this on 4chan?

Re:Venezuela Forcibly Converts Pensions into Petro by patrickaljord on Monday December 17, 2018 @05:49AM (#18698154)
I totally agree with you, it's not real socialism.
Re:Venezuela Forcibly Converts Pensions into Petro by shaki-dora on Monday December 17, 2018 @05:43AM (#18698124)
I believe we are on the same side in this particular ideological (no-)food-fight, but I think your criticism is off the mark.

Chavez and, to lesser extend, Maduro, were/are, under most any definition, socialists.

What I believe makes you want to avoid the association is that naturally, some intellectually dishonest people will turn around and use a completely different definition of the word to jump from arguing against, say, rules prohibiting forced arbitration clauses (to use an appropriately arbitrary example) directly to painting the spectre of Venezuela-style breakdown of civilisation in our future.

Personally, I believe it's more use to argue against instances of the latter folly (which really deserves its own debate-ending "...fallacy" designation). Otherwise, it's that No-True-Scotsman thing.

Re:Venezuela Forcibly Converts Pensions into Petro by arielserafini on Monday December 17, 2018 @05:48AM (#18698149)
I'm not even trying to get into the "true socialism" debate, but what they are trying to refer to is dictatorial policies, not socialist policies.
Re:Venezuela Forcibly Converts Pensions into Petro by lucozade on Monday December 17, 2018 @06:08AM (#18698221)
I would tend to agree with you. What was state socialism has evolved into totalitarian dictatorship.

In fairness, pretty much every state socialist regime has, fairly quickly, evolved into a totalitarian dictatorship so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

It's clear that Marx was right in the sense that societies evolve, but wrong in that state socialism evolves to communism: it clearly doesn't. It's why I find intelligent people advocating for socialism to be particularly heinous. What they are, effectively, advocating for is totalitarianism.