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Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by posix_me_less on Saturday December 15, 2018 @04:54AM (#18687810)
> If you have a 20$ bill that means essentially that the government owes you the equivalent in value.

This may be true in some theoretical sense, but in practice, it is hard to believe. How would I go around to make the government accept my 20$ and give me some equivalent of that? What could government possibly give me for my 20$?

Dollar bills are for buying things. I could go to a store and buy a bottle of expensive wine for that bill. But I wouldn't say the store owes me.

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by asadjb on Saturday December 15, 2018 @07:45AM (#18688165)
The government accepts the $20 as a legal way to pay your taxes, or other government fees.
Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by posix_me_less on Sunday December 16, 2018 @05:12AM (#18692476)
That is true. But if the only way a government owes me something is that it has to accept dollar bills to erase my tax/fee duty, then I think this proves my point - the government does not owe me equivalent of those bills, it only has to accept them for limited set of "services".
Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by jganetsk on Saturday December 15, 2018 @01:19PM (#18689578)
"I could go to a store and buy a bottle of expensive wine for that bill. But I wouldn't say the store owes me."

That's a misunderstanding. A $20 bill is the government's liability, not the store's liability. You and a third party are using government liabilities as a currency. Every $20 bill is on the liability side of the central bank's balance sheet. Every entity accepts its own liabilities as a form of payment. Governments issue currency which they then must accept as payment for taxes. Banks issue credit which they then must accept as payment for debt service.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDL4c8fMODk

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by posix_me_less on Sunday December 16, 2018 @05:39AM (#18692541)
Interesting video, but can't help to notice it paints too simple and dandy picture and probably has an agenda behind it. If you read the comments, not everybody believes in this "the government created the money so there is no problem in creating some more" idea. In principle yes, the government has that power. But in practice, this is being prevented by powerful people in and out of government and only gets a pass in special cases (like saving the big banks yes, funding public healthcare no).
Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by moreira on Saturday December 15, 2018 @05:40AM (#18687908)
The answer is gold. Your $20 is worth a certain amount of gold, and that is what the government owes you. $20 in gold. These days you'd be hard pressed to get the government to give you gold, of course, but that is the answer to your question.

As an example, British pound notes have the wording "I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of five [ten/twenty/fifty] pounds", which dates back to a time when you could actually exchange the notes themselves for gold.

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by nitrogen on Saturday December 15, 2018 @01:50PM (#18689721)
Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by claytonius on Saturday December 15, 2018 @11:52AM (#18689113)