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Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by mywittyname on Friday December 14, 2018 @03:45PM (#18684547)
A major issue is that people on HN are largely ignorant of nuclear power generation. It's largely a bunch of wikipedia-educated people debating youtube-educated people. So none of the discussions are realistic, because there's probably four people on HN with any real world subject matter knowledge.

There's not the same blind-optimism to solar power generation.

Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by ggm on Friday December 14, 2018 @06:03PM (#18685718)
There's not the same blind-optimism to solar power generation.

Well.. it's hard to be overtly skeptical to a form of lower intensity power which works at scale, but lower intensity. The only claims to be rebutted are ones which overstate the pace of improvement to the forseen asymptote.

What's more baffling is the constant jeremiad of hate against solar wind and battery because of prejudice favouring large centrally managed gigawatts. Nobody disputes big lumps of powerstation are good. What we're doing is fighting an ill informed skirmish inside the linear programming and O/R model of future power, rather pointlessly.

I would like nuclear fusion and fission power research to continue. I would like the funding to lower intensity power to continue as well. I would like a grown up conversation about how much each should get annually as funding.

Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by DennisP on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:42PM (#18686248)
What's similarly baffling to me is the constant jeremiad of hate against nuclear.

Personally I'm a fan of any carbon-free power source. In particular solar and nuclear seem like they'd go together quite well: nuclear baseload, solar for extra daytime demand, and enough storage to handle the remaining discrepancy with the demand curve. (A couple years ago MIT had a grid simulation that let people try out different combinations to see the overall cost, and that was the cheapest I came up with.)

Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by pfdietz on Friday December 14, 2018 @08:32PM (#18686451)
Nuclear was given the benefit of the doubt for decades. It failed. In particular, projections of its cost turned out to be self-serving lies.

People get testy when they've been victims of fraud. Just ask the ratepayers in Georgia and South Carolina.

Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by wbl on Saturday December 15, 2018 @03:12PM (#18690122)
Meanwhile France is 80% nuclear power mix, and contained costs by building fleets of similar reactors. US construction industry is the issue here.
Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by pfdietz on Saturday December 15, 2018 @03:30PM (#18690195)
France's costs were always opaque, since they mixed the civilian and military nuclear programs.

In any case, France can not now build reactors cheaply. The recent attempts have experienced disastrous cost overruns (a factor of 3x for Flamanville). New nuclear has failed there just like it failed here in the US.

Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by ggm on Friday December 14, 2018 @08:58PM (#18686551)
It's the unavoidable up front subsidy envy. That, and fears of statist controls obligated by unimaginable risks. The actual risks experienced being lower except when corporate greed behaviour goes Fukushima.

Actual power cost and deaths per gigawatts? Unbeatable. I used to hate on nuclear, I changed my mind. End the lawsuits and let's get building again.

Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by bildung on Saturday December 15, 2018 @05:34AM (#18687894)
* > Actual power cost and deaths per gigawatts? Unbeatable.*

Power costs of nuclear plants seem to be on the expensive side of things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

Depending on the study, it's either comparable to wind or has substantially higher costs than wind.

Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by Eddh on Saturday December 15, 2018 @06:15AM (#18687982)
You can't command wind. Which makes this cost per watt comparison pointless. Need to include storage.
Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by bildung on Saturday December 15, 2018 @10:20AM (#18688657)
Those numbers obviously compare price per actually produced GWh.

Do you really think hordes of scientists around the globe do dozens of studies and have never thought about a point as trivial as this?

Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by jyounker on Saturday December 15, 2018 @07:59AM (#18688212)
Corporate greed and incompetence seem to be constants though.
Re:Experts Urge U.S. To Continue Support for Nuclear Fusion ... by Keyframe on Saturday December 15, 2018 @04:13AM (#18687720)
That's really true. The issue is probably in natural curiosity within our (this) group. Personally, I don't have much experience outside of two areas of expertise, but I'm curious about many other areas, read about those, sometimes even dabble... but nowhere near the level to 'offer' solutions. Usually the case when you think something is obvious or trivial, you don't understand the problem(s)... usually.