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Re:Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell by TomMarius on Friday December 14, 2018 @08:25AM (#18680608)
Why would laws be better? I absolutely don't see how any law could be better than something the people did themselves. Comparable - maybe, but a law is usually way more expensive in the long run and not exactly flexible - and if you were from eastern European state you would know how unions work here (they mostly don't).
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Re:Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell by pjc50 on Friday December 14, 2018 @08:29AM (#18680628)
Generally in order for unions to exist at all they need a certain amount of protection from reprisals; union organising needs to be a protected activity.

Surely the big Eastern European union success story was Solidarity? Although I can understand how unions would struggle to operate in the post-communist era.

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Re:Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell by TomMarius on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:05AM (#18681247)
> Generally in order for unions to exist at all they need a certain amount of protection from reprisals; union organising needs to be a protected activity.

Could you please explain why, in the age of e-mail and Facebook? People in my country have zero problem organising political events on Facebook, attracting several tens of thousands of visitors to their demonstrations.

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Re:Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell by pjc50 on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:11AM (#18681287)
If you're organising a union on Facebook, and you're under American-style at-will employment, and it wasn't banned under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_concerted_activity , then the employer would simply immediately fire whichever people were seen to be the ringleaders.
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Re:Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell by TomMarius on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:42AM (#18681564)
Good point. Thank you!
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Re:Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell by dragonwriter on Friday December 14, 2018 @04:11PM (#18684811)
> Generally in order for unions to exist at all they need a certain amount of protection from reprisals;

This reverses cause and effect: in order for unions to receive any legal protection, they have to exist and fight for it (many members paying very high prices.) The unions precede the legal protection, not the other way around.

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