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Re:Why did California vote down legal pot? by miles on Thursday November 04, 2010 @02:54AM (#1867992)
FTA: "First and foremost, advocates must emphasize that in a free society, the burden of proof should be on prohibitionists to justify the interference with liberty that results from outlawing marijuana, a burden the prohibitionists have never met. Any calm assessment of marijuana versus alcohol, for example, shows that alcohol is the substance with the greater potential for harm."
Re:Why did California vote down legal pot? by epo on Thursday November 04, 2010 @06:38AM (#1868339)
This is naive, if we knew then what we know now alcohol would never have been legalised.

We have to deal with the situation we have and criminalising alcohol would be very difficult, its too entrenched.

The fact that alcohol is worse and legal is not in itself an argument for legalising cannabis.

Re:Why did California vote down legal pot? by philwelch on Thursday November 04, 2010 @09:37AM (#1868765)
"if we knew then what we know now alcohol would never have been legalised"

So the St. Valentine's Day Massacre isn't enough to convince you Prohibition was a bad idea, eh?

Re:Why did California vote down legal pot? by epo on Thursday November 04, 2010 @12:09PM (#1869476)
Prohibition was about criminalising alcohol, which I said was a bad idea. The problem was legalising alcohol in the first place, which would not have happened had we known then what we know now.

Also the SVD massacre was IMHO only tangentially associated with alcohol. It was part of a war between armed gangs, had it not been alcohol it would have been gambling, prostitution or something else.

However my karma has taken enough hits for today.

Re:Why did California vote down legal pot? by philwelch on Thursday November 04, 2010 @12:15PM (#1869508)
The problem was legalising alcohol in the first place

I'm pretty sure alcohol (like everything else) was legal by default, and had to actually be prohibited at some point before it could be legalized.

Re:Why did California vote down legal pot? by epo on Thursday November 04, 2010 @06:47AM (#1868353)
Downvoted why? Because it's not compatible with your groupthink?
Re:Why did California vote down legal pot? by davidw on Thursday November 04, 2010 @06:54AM (#1868362)
That's one reason why politics is a bad mix with sites like this.
Re:Why did California vote down legal pot? by bilban on Thursday November 04, 2010 @08:43AM (#1868599)
I don't even know if I'd agree that alcohol is worse. I guess you are in part referring to David Nutt's research. I'm sure his findings would be different if some of the other drugs on the list were decriminalised or legalised. The media haven't been that sensible with the reportage on that report. At least it labels alcohol as a drug and takes into account the bigger picture.

It's all law and nanny state - don't we give humans any credibility any more? It's good to have the debate. I've brought this up with family, my mum sees drugs as a black and white issue - but she's happy to be drinking wine whilst she's damning pot smokers. There is such a thing as moderation mother.

(There's a lot of that - I don't agree - so I'll down vote you mentality up here in the cloud :))

Re:Why did California vote down legal pot? by davidw on Thursday November 04, 2010 @08:59AM (#1868645)
Eh? You are responding to the wrong guy. I just said politics doesn't belong here.