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Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by linuxftw on Thursday December 13, 2018 @03:54PM (#18675999)
There's a (more than one, really) wonderful free operating system alternative that you can install on almost any PC. At the very least, you can dual boot.

Critical mass starts with you.

Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by wink on Thursday December 13, 2018 @06:10PM (#18676997)
Please don't act as if Linux was a viable alternative for everything. It's not. I appreciate trying to prod people, but this came off very elitist.

-- someone who's been using Linux since 1998, Linux desktops for work stuff since ~2008 and has more machines with only Linux at home than ones with Windows, but still spends the majority of recreation time on a Win7 box because not all games run nicely with Wine, or at all.

Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by linuxftw on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:56AM (#18680469)
I don't play video games on PC, and neither do most 'normal' users. Most people use PC for browsing the web, writing email, and creating documents. Many people do play games on PC, but not most.

Vote with your dollars. What do you care about most? PC Video games, or having an operating system that respects your freedom and privacy? Critical mass starts with you too, if you want PC Video games that run on free operating systems, us those systems and the vendors will follow.

Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by Nerdfest on Friday December 14, 2018 @02:56PM (#18684062)
While not a 'normal' user as such, I've used only Linux at home and at work (Win VM at work occasionally for rare corporate stuff). I develop software, control my guitar amp and audio equipment, play video games, do photo processing, watch videos ....

No, it's not a viable alternative for everything, it's damn close. Valve is doing some incorporation of Wine into Steam that should make many "Windows-only" games play effortlessly.

Don't use Linux if you don't want to obviously, but complaining because you can't play all games written for a completely different OS is a valid complaint. If you know people that are concerned about surveillance and privacy, don't scare them away. At least tell people about multi-boot.

Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by VRay on Friday December 14, 2018 @05:16PM (#18685374)
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that anyone surfing HackerNews for fun can easily get their favorite games working in wine, so I'm not sure who that guy is warning off
Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by wink on Monday December 17, 2018 @06:00PM (#18703059)
Games that kinda need to run at 30-60 fps. Games that came out recently.
Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by flukus on Thursday December 13, 2018 @07:03PM (#18677301)
> Please don't act as if Linux was a viable alternative for everything. It's not.

Please get over the idea that linux will ever be a 100% perfect drop-in replacement for windows. If you can't accept that their will be some pain involved and things they have to give up then you should expect to be stuck in this abusive relationship forever.

Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by zapzupnz on Thursday December 13, 2018 @07:32PM (#18677418)
> Please get over the idea that linux will ever be a 100% perfect drop-in replacement for windows

Are you saying that generally or to the person to whom you responded, because it looks like you're both saying the same thing with the current wording and I find it a tad confusing.

Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by flukus on Thursday December 13, 2018 @07:51PM (#18677521)
We both recognize the difficulty but OP doesn't seem willing to accept the self sacrifice necessary to get to the end goal, which is what I was attempting to emphasize.

As long as MS know that people aren't willing to make sacrifices (and we're using the term loosely) like that they will have no reason to change and the cycle will continue.

Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by dman on Thursday December 13, 2018 @07:38PM (#18677454)
I would like to live in a world where the parents comment could be interpreted as talking about openbsd / freebsd etc. (Parents username notwithstanding).
Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by 131012 on Thursday December 13, 2018 @06:21PM (#18677064)
It came off very elitist to assume I am running on Windows too. My comment was written from Ubuntu, yet I had to buy a Win10 license last time I bought a laptop.
Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by monetus on Thursday December 13, 2018 @04:10PM (#18676151)
How do you feel about critical mass for average users though? Debian updating its repositories every two years is kind of antithetical to the android and mac idea of software repositories. I've not tried elementaryOS, but I thought it was similar.
Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by zozbot123 on Thursday December 13, 2018 @04:41PM (#18676388)
Debian updates its stable release repositories every two years (aside from pure bugfixes and the like, of course) because this is what it takes to have a rock-solid software release-- with a truly negligible amount of issues for the computer-naïve "average user" to be bitten by-- given the resources they have at present and the overall state of upstream software. If people want more frequent updates, coupled with the same overall reliability that Debian has always been known for (far more than many other Linux distributions), they're welcome to contribute.
Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by linuxftw on Thursday December 13, 2018 @04:20PM (#18676237)
Plenty of software vendors provide packages that are compatible across releases such as google chrome and mariadb. Checkout Mariadb's releases for Ubuntu: http://mirrors.syringanetworks.net/mariadb//mariadb-10.3.11/...

Just the system packages need to be stable (eg, distro's repos).

Also worth mentioning is snaps and flatpacks (though I'm not personally a fan, they do exist).

Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by flukus on Thursday December 13, 2018 @07:35PM (#18677435)
Average users hate updates, that's a major reason MS (and others like chrome) have to be so aggressive about forcing them, it's why so many stick with XP and 7. They hate security updates because they're an annoyance that does things they don't understand and they hate app updates that change the UI under their nose.

If you gave them a system and promised nothing major would change for 5 years they'd be thankful.

Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by Nerdfest on Friday December 14, 2018 @02:59PM (#18684094)
You can run fully transparent updates in Linux using tools from Canonical, Oracle, etc. I have absolutely no idea how people put up with how badly Windows does updates, and really, XBox is not far behind.
Re:Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you... by saghm on Thursday December 13, 2018 @04:41PM (#18676389)
There are distros not based on Debian out there, many of which update their packages more often than every two years