Re:Why should I have written ZeroMQ in C, not C++ (2012)
by hermitdev on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @07:52PM
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I'd love a real world example as I've been using the STL for 14 years, and only thing I've worked around was std::map, which I implemented much like boost flat_map.
Yes, you need to be aware of object lifetimes in c++, but so do you in C. C++ makes it far easier to manage, though.
Re:Why should I have written ZeroMQ in C, not C++ (2012)
by rwbt on Thursday December 13, 2018 @01:08AM
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I agree. These days I can't even imagine programming in C++ without using STL. It still has some weird ergonomics at some places though. For example - instead of a simple vector.contains(something) we have to write this
std::vector<T> x_Vec;
if (!(x_Vec.find(another_x) == std::vector<T>::npos) {
//some code
}
Also the ugly std::get<N> syntax.. auto x = std::get<0>(myTuple);
Why not - auto x = myTuple.0
Re:Why should I have written ZeroMQ in C, not C++ (2012)
by int_19h on Thursday December 13, 2018 @06:27AM
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The first snippet you wrote makes sense for string, but not for vector. For vector, you'd need to do:
if (x_Vec.find(another_x) != x_Vec.end()) {
//some code
}
The reason why vector doesn't have contains() is because it would be an O(N) operation for a vector. STL is generally designed in such a way that, when something needs to do an O(N) lookup, it has to deal with iterators, making the iteration happening in the background a bit more explicit.But, for example, for std::set and map, you can just do:
if (a_set.count(x)) { ... }
It's not a good pattern for multiset and multimap, since it won't stop at the first occurrence. C++20 finally added contains() for that reason - but, again, only to associative containers.
Re:Why should I have written ZeroMQ in C, not C++ (2012)
by rwbt on Thursday December 13, 2018 @11:33AM
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Yes, I'd need to check for end iterator in vector. But my point still stands - C++ does have some weird ergonomics.
Re:Why should I have written ZeroMQ in C, not C++ (2012)
by LgWoodenBadger on Thursday December 13, 2018 @09:35AM
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but isn't find() an O(n) operation already?
Re:Why should I have written ZeroMQ in C, not C++ (2012)
by int_19h on Thursday December 13, 2018 @09:09PM
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Indeed! Which is why find() is not a member function on vector (so my snippet above is wrong - I just missed that part). It's a global function, so you need to do:
if (find(x, v.begin(), v.end()) != v.end()) ...
For maps and sets, find is a member function though. Same principle - if it is implemented in some optimized way, the class provides it directly, but not otherwise.
At one point hacking around these issues become a bigger cost than just using some C library
Though personally I think the abstraction ceiling on C is so low I can’t imagine that cost ever being that high, other people are more comfortable with macro-based APIs