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Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by baroffoos on Monday December 10, 2018 @09:15PM (#18652851)
I think they do understand exactly what is going on but they know that upload filters are faulty almost always in favor of people with money. Upload filters like ones on youtube are super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content but they also take out a load of legitimate content. Its now up to the content owner to prove that their content was fair use or that its not even the same thing as the copyrighted content.

In the end the big companies win and the individuals lose.

Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by fsloth on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @03:44AM (#18653990)
"In the end the big companies win and the individuals lose."

That's how other industries are run nowadays. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but that rather this does not come from cluelesness about tech, but more about bringing tech into the legislatory mainstream.

Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by Zak on Monday December 10, 2018 @09:23PM (#18652884)
> Upload filters like ones on youtube are super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content

Youtube's filter removed the audio track from a video of mine that was essentially silent to start with. There was certainly no music, TV, movie, etc... in the background.

Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by growt on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @03:26AM (#18653933)
You were obviously playing four minutes thirty-three seconds of silence by John Cage[1] on repeat in the background! Crystal clear copyright violation!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3

Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by Zak on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @09:56AM (#18655664)
That actually came up in a now-deleted comment. Incidentally, the audio is back now, though I made no request for review. I wonder if they periodically rescan content when they make changes to the algorithm.

Here's the video for the curious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCEjJhm8qYM

There is someone with a financial interest in not having people watch it, but removing the audio won't help them.

Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by baroffoos on Monday December 10, 2018 @09:30PM (#18652912)
And how many $ did that cause Disney to lose? The system fails almost entirely siding with the orgs with money and power.
Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by giancarlostoro on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @12:43AM (#18653478)
That is outright ridiculous. There should be a level of human intervention to determine okay this cant be a damn copyright issue this AI is coocoo.
Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by StudentStuff on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @01:30AM (#18653575)
Letting black box "AI" that is often incorrect run wild is way less expensive than having a human intervene to review flagged videos. Hence the rise of machine learning algorithms that can do all kinds of neat things, but fail hard on the plethora of edge cases that exist.
Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @03:26AM (#18653931)
Hence the need for penalties on false positives. Alas, here this won't happen on its own, because streaming platforms need people with money (and their content) more than the reverse.
Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by raxxorrax on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @05:04AM (#18654263)
This is partly because justice systems in the western countries require you to have a lot of money if you want to see your rights preserved.

That aside, the bill is designed to target "the big ones" because publishers want to gain access to profits from advertising. You just need to look at the people who initiated this tragedy.

I hate it that people don't talk about what problems the law intends to solve. You will be able to quickly reduce the answer to special interests. At that point, a legislative process should stop immediately. Will be interesting if the european institutions are able to do so.

Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by spaceribs on Monday December 10, 2018 @09:27PM (#18652902)
Centralization loses. Publicly available content loses. A global community loses. Individuals are too many, faster and more clever than any one company can ever imagine to outmaneuver, it just means our shared internet culture becomes more localized and hidden.
Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by baroffoos on Monday December 10, 2018 @09:31PM (#18652918)
I'm fairly sure this will mean more centralization as youtube will be the only one able to comply with the laws and everyone else will be locked out.
Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by spaceribs on Monday December 10, 2018 @09:36PM (#18652943)
I'm fairly certain YouTube wasn't around when I traded external HDs full of movies/tv shows with my high school friends.
Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by AnthonyMouse on Monday December 10, 2018 @10:32PM (#18653159)
And that's the problem. Piracy decentralizes easily -- it has been that way since before the internet was even common.

What these rules do is destroy user generated content. Because your external HD can hold every Hollywood blockbuster in the last five years but it's nowhere near big enough for all the user generated content on YouTube.

Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by pgeorgi on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @02:42AM (#18653771)
> youtube will be the only one able to comply with the laws

A properly decentralized system can comply with the laws as well: you know what you put up, so there is a filter - it's just in meat space.

Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by AsyncAwait on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:31AM (#18655164)
Worth pointing out that anyone could run their own instance of PeerTube[1], for their own content, if they wished.

I think the bigger issue is that many YT creators rely on its ads for revenue.

1 - https://joinpeertube.org/en

Re:EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but ... by richrichardsson on Monday December 10, 2018 @09:49PM (#18653010)
> super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content

YouTube's uploads filters don't work very well with Peppa Pig episodes that have been chopped up into 45 second pieces and reordered randomly.