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Re:Rediscovering My Daughter Through Instagram by nl on Monday December 10, 2018 @01:12AM (#18645620)
This is - of course - historically wrong.

Through most of history, in terms of "general", "average" lifestyle both parents have worked from dawn to dusk doing manual labor or. If they saw their (over ~6 yo) children during this time it was because the children were working with them.

It's always been normal for children to grow up and be less known to their parents.

20 years ago the same people would complain how their kids would go to the mall and they'd never know what they were doing.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. -- Socrates, ~420BC.

Re:Rediscovering My Daughter Through Instagram by njarboe on Monday December 10, 2018 @03:15AM (#18646128)
This famous quote by Socrates was likely make up by William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson in Personality and Adjustment on page 277 in the fifties (1953). If Plato actually did mention this as a saying of Socrates was later (1966) researched and evidence of the quote existing was found lacking.[1]

https://www.bartleby.com/73/195.html

Re:Rediscovering My Daughter Through Instagram by nl on Monday December 10, 2018 @09:37PM (#18652953)
Actually.. It's not as simple as that (of course).

There are no primary sources of Socrates, so there are questions around anything from him.

However, in this case it seems to have come from a summary of Greek thinking written by Kenneth John Freeman in 1907[1]. It seems likely one of his sources was "a paraphrase of a quote (lines 961–985) from Aristophanes' The Clouds, a comedic play known for its caricature of Socrates."[2]

This information apparently came to light when Google Books scanned the Freeman essay, so the researcher quoted by Bartleby (in 1966) didn't know of it.

Furthermore, Plato did complain about this behavior[3] and much of what we know of Socrates comes via Plato.

Edit: Doing some primary sources research on Google books found the quote used in a 1947 newspaper edition[4]! And here is another from 1944[5].

That's interesting.. although I can't access the source itself so perhaps Google has mis-parsed the date?

More work:

https://archive.org/stream/crescent_1928-30/cr_v40_n14#page/... from 1928 (!)

[1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

[2] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Socrates#Misattributed

[3] http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=plat.+rep.+8.56...

[4] https://books.google.com.au/books?id=5H8VAAAAIAAJ&q=%22The+c...

[5] https://books.google.com.au/books?id=q2IwAQAAMAAJ&q=%22The+c...