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Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by ahakki on Sunday December 09, 2018 @06:47PM (#18644095)
> Every time I hear politicians say how they know what needs to be done, but they will get voted out if they try. I don't believe this is true.

Imagine people rioting in the streets because you put a carbon tax on gas.

Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by roymurdock on Sunday December 09, 2018 @07:43PM (#18644328)
you missed, the other side of the equation, the yellow jackets are also fed up because they perceive the gas taxes (along with tax after tax after tax under macron) to miss the upper classes and hit the lower classes disproportionately which are already struggling on a median $30k/yr income

the carbon taxes should be levied on large corporations and their shareholders rather than than low income individuals and employees

Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by ahakki on Sunday December 09, 2018 @08:25PM (#18644491)
No, I didn't miss it. The problem is that no one actually seems to accept any reduction in quality of life for the commons. Saying that someone else should bear the load is just deflecting responsibility (and incidently what everyone does as soon as a measure hits them specifically).

We all know that no one will do anything.

Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by roymurdock on Sunday December 09, 2018 @08:41PM (#18644562)
what do you mean, no one will do anything

the yellow jackets are out rioting, killing, and dying to protest what they see as unfair

the prime minister has already agreed to suspend the gas tax for 6 months, and will need to make further concessions or else risk being ousted/replaced

Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by ahakki on Sunday December 09, 2018 @08:45PM (#18644571)
>what do you mean, no one will do anything?

>>Every time I hear politicians say how they know what needs to be done, but they will get voted out if they try. I don't believe this is true.

I meant we all know that no one will do anything about climate change, because whenever anyone proposes something with an actual effect people come out "rioting, killing, and dying to protest what they see as unfair".

Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by hackeraccount on Sunday December 09, 2018 @09:29PM (#18644762)
Maybe what's proposed isn't fair. Come up with something fair and people won't riot.
Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by hyperman1 on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @01:57PM (#18657781)
Small part of the 'Gilets Jaunes' is happening outside my Belgian door, so I yes I noticed that.

But, this is more of an example of the problem: the state is propping up crumbling social infrastructure with extra taxes, and trying to greenwash them. You can see it in the things Macron promises to do now: Raise the minimal wage of the protesters. In the same way, the main complaint from the protester is that they are average salary workers, and they can't make ends meet anymore. It doesn't matter much that the straw that broke the camel's back was a green tax.