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Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by jimnotgym on Sunday December 09, 2018 @05:02PM (#18643563)
> In general, politicians poll their constituents and their platform changes to mirror what their constituents want in order to continue being re-elected

I find that in the UK the right-wing media tell everybody what they want, the BBC then takes that as rote and amplifies it. The officials then mirror that.

Take the immigration issue as a case in point to demonstrate (I am not going to argue the rights and wrongs of immigration itself so don't bother commenting, this is a meta-comment). The current PM talked about reducing immigration constantly as Home Secretary (mirroring the Daily Mail). As PM she has done the same. Recently a story came out that she tried to suppress reports that immigration was a benefit to the economy on multiple occasions. A recent report said that immigrants on average were more of a benefit to the economy than native Brits.

This seems to me nothing like mirroring public opinion, and instead they are trying to bend facts to fit the newspapers narrative, so they will get coverage.

I think we do need leadership from elected officials, otherwise 'public opinion' is lead by the press barons.

Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by roenxi on Sunday December 09, 2018 @05:41PM (#18643771)
> ... they are trying to bend facts to fit the newspapers narrative, so they will get coverage.

I think we can all agree that that is politics, but not leadership. Politicians are active players in the game of politics, no argument.

So I suppose the null hypothesis is that the current PM has a large contingency of voters who don't like immigration (who are also pandered to by the Daily Mail), and is trying to represent them. I really like that one - a politician who attempts to show leadership _will_ be controversial and resisted. Democracies settle uncontroversial issues extremely quickly, then settle into an awkward status-quo with competing interest groups, where any change advantages some and disadvantages others. Someone who tries to lead anywhere new will face fierce opposition.

Are you fundamentally saying that that null hypothesis is wrong? What are you proposing replaces it?

Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by jimnotgym on Monday December 10, 2018 @05:55PM (#18651858)
The apathy hypothesis?
Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by dash2 on Sunday December 09, 2018 @06:41PM (#18644052)
This is a very common argument and I find it weird.

I guess if you are a democrat, and at the same time have your own political ideas, the fact that many people disagree with you causes some cognitive dissonance. A nice solution is to think that the populace has been misled by the Yellow Press.

This story might have worked in the 1990s when it was the Sun Wot Won It (the 1997 election, for non-Brits). Since then, the media market has exploded and anyone can now reach thousands of alternative news sources. Simultaneously, public opinion has got much more anti-immigration. How does this data fit the theory of manipulation by press barons?

Re:Group led by Thomas Piketty presents plan for ‘a fairer E... by pas on Sunday December 09, 2018 @07:07PM (#18644188)
People are/were more susceptible to easy lies that made them the victim. The equilibrium shifted, and a feedback loop started.

It's not the number of media outlets, it's the number of narratives and which one is winning people's hearts and minds. And the truth be damned.