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Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by hourislate on Saturday December 08, 2018 @10:01PM (#18638989)
It seems like the Intelligencia is leveraging the TSA to collect as much information as possible on all US Citizens that use an airport while the TSA pretends to keep Americans safe.

You have to admit it does make good "Theater for the Masses" when you see them stripping down an 80 year old in a wheelchair or dragging an 8 year old off to the side for additional screening.

This is what happens when "The People" lose control of the Government.

Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by rootusrootus on Saturday December 08, 2018 @10:13PM (#18639028)
> This is what happens when "The People" lose control of the Government.

That seems doubtful. Nearly everyone agrees that TSA checkpoints are irritating and slow, how many would actually vote to abolish them? Even just returning back to pre-9/11 security?

I think we have exactly the government most of us want. That's the uncomfortable truth. If the majority of voting citizens wanted the TSA gone, it would be.

Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by dragonwriter on Sunday December 09, 2018 @01:18AM (#18639669)
> I think we have exactly the government most of us want.

We have a President who was the second highest vote getter, and a Senate where the majority party was elected with a minority of the votes (counting across the most recent elections for each seat.)

So, no, we don't have “the government most of us want”, independent of the TSA.

> If the majority of voting citizens wanted the TSA gone, it would be.

Look, if the majority of the voting public wants a particular Presidential candidate elected, at the time of voting, that still relies on them not having an unfavorable geographic distribution to work out.

A policy that is more distant from a single candidate election, and which must compete in any voting decision with other policy preferences for importance and which requires action by both the President and the Congress to effectuate is far from guaranteed.

Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by rootusrootus on Sunday December 09, 2018 @01:28PM (#18642373)
That is the exception proving the rule. Aside from the Connecticut Compromise, agreed to at a time in our history when very few citizens could even vote, the United States remains fairly responsive to popular opinion. Politicians have to get votes, and if abolishing TSA was popular enough to swing votes, we'd have politicians falling all over themselves to make sure everyone knew they were the right guy for that.

But... it's not. The TSA and the rest of our various police forces stick around because while a few loud people complain about the threat to liberty, the vast majority of people quietly vote for more safety.

Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by FireBeyond on Sunday December 09, 2018 @02:44PM (#18642829)
> But... it's not. The TSA and the rest of our various police forces stick around because while a few loud people complain about the threat to liberty, the vast majority of people quietly vote for more safety.

Or they don't want to see the impact of nearly 100,000 government mandated jobs lost. It's an assumption to think "the vast majority" are looking to the TSA for safety.

It's like adultery, still a crime in many states, including a felony in a few (and in others, is a crime only a female can commit). Despite no prosecutions in decades, it's still on the books, not because it should be, but because no politician wants the backlash of "non-family-friendly" that'd come with "decriminalization".

Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by dragonwriter on Sunday December 09, 2018 @04:08PM (#18643290)
> That is the exception proving the rule.

You do know that expression uses “prove” in the (otherwise uncommon in modern English) sense of “test”, not the (more common in modern English) sense of “establish the truth of”, right?

And which of the multiple examples I cited is supposed to be the singular exception? (And, certainly a Senate that is minoritarian but for conditions of either supermajoritarian popular alignment or fortuitous geographical alignment of the majority isn't an rare exception, it's a fundamental and conscious design feature.)

The United States isn't a majoritarian government by design, and very commonly does not (and certainly does not now) have the government most voting citizens want. It's even less the case that it is majoritarian on any single issue; there are many issues you can find where there is a durable majority opinion not reflected in government policy. (In part because it's not the sole issue and multiple issues compete in electing representatives, in part because candidates manipulate voters with false positions which they find reasons to blame other people for having fail, but in large part again because even a majority voting solely on one issue, for politicians honestly pursuing the voters' preferred position, doesn't guarantee winning control of either House of Congress or the Presidency, much less winning all three or winning both Houses of Congress with a veto proof majority, and so does not guarantee ability to legislate the desired goal.)

Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by StudentStuff on Sunday December 09, 2018 @01:03AM (#18639617)
We live in a representative democracy with indirect control for voting citizens, the granularity you suggest is possible when voting is only possible when there is a direct democracy.

If there is serious, broad outrage about an issue that lasts through an election, then change may come for that issue under our current system. As is, stuff that most of the voting public objects to happens daily, but these actions are shielded by our current system.

Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by Gibbon1 on Saturday December 08, 2018 @11:49PM (#18639371)
I've always said why don't we let the market decide.

Offer flights with TSA screening for $10 extra or flights with no screening.

Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by ralph84 on Sunday December 09, 2018 @02:32AM (#18639835)
The “let the market decide” solution is to make the airlines strictly liable for what happens with their planes and let them and their insurers figure out the best security strategy.
Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by mcguire on Sunday December 09, 2018 @11:29AM (#18641626)
Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by creato on Saturday December 08, 2018 @11:45PM (#18639358)
> It seems like the Intelligencia is leveraging the TSA to collect as much information as possible on all US Citizens that use an airport while the TSA pretends to keep Americans safe.

What information does the TSA collect?

I can't think of anything the airlines don't already collect when you buy your ticket.

Re:TSA’s Roadmap for Airport Surveillance Moves in a Dangero... by wool_gather on Sunday December 09, 2018 @01:37PM (#18642418)
Not to say this would actually change, but absent the TSA, airlines could mostly get along fine collecting zero personal information. It's not really relevant to the service -- all they need to know is that you have a valid ticket. I suppose a name is helpful to have attached to a checked bag, in case of misrouting, but even that could just be done by your ticket/reservation number.

There's no inherent reason your identity is more relevant for a plane ride than it is for taking the bus.