Re:Facebook removed post by ex-manager who said site 'failed...
by nec4b on Friday December 07, 2018 @01:17PM
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Why is talking and asking a person about his actions unreasonable? You are basically badmouthing that person here for the whole world to see how bad he is!
Re:Facebook removed post by ex-manager who said site 'failed...
by wpietri on Friday December 07, 2018 @01:52PM
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Oh, now we're on to "badmouthing". With no acknowledgement of any of my points, including the fact that you were rude and dodged apologizing. Or of your apparent lack of understanding of the topic you're so eager to discuss.
You should note that you're very invested in defending the honor of a white person that is even to me totally anonymous. And then go read DiAngelo's book.
Second, I never said he was racist -- that's your interpretation. I specifically avoided that term because when white people are experiencing white fragility [1], which is certain to happen in a large group discussion like this, then they immediately cast any incident in into the common post-Civil-Rights-era frame of "racist=bad person" and start defending their fellow white person, who surely must be good. What I talked about was unconscious racial bias.
Third, your demanding "proof" is unreasonable. What would count? Should I have fMRI scans done of the person's brain under various stimuli? Even that wouldn't be enough; you could argue he might harbor racial bias, but that it wasn't active at the time he grilled my intern. I just looked at the last few pages of your comments here, and you have offered all sorts of reasonable opinions without ever giving a bit of proof. You are bringing up a standard that couldn't possibly apply and that you don't hew to yourself. You might ask yourself why.
Fourth, I included evidence. First, there was the testimony of the one witness who, even though he's still in college, has had to become an expert in America's still pervasive and demonstrable white bias against black people. Second, there was my testimony as to the nature of the environment and the rareness of an event like this. Third, as I mentioned, I talked about this with my boss. In all of our judgments, under the preponderance of the evidence, this was an unconscious racial bias incident. Nobody at the company thought otherwise, including HR and the black employee group, who deal with this sort of thing regularly at that company.
Fifth, it's not my job to prove anything to internet randos. It's your job to understand America's racial dynamics and how this fits in before commenting. I told this story knowing full well that I'd get salty replies from people who would react with instant denial to any description of a bias incident caused by someone like them (a well-meaning white tech dude). Why would they do that? Well, if you have studied American racial dynamics, you'll already know the answer to that. And if you haven't, I recommend that you read one or two of the four books I've already recommended in this discussion. You'll learn something.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology
[2] https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism/d...