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Re:Mozilla is deeply concerned about Microsoft killing EdgeHTML by Waterluvian on Friday December 07, 2018 @10:29AM (#18628437)
Literally the only two reasons I don't use Firefox on mobile is the lack of home button and no pull down to refresh.

It's not that Firefox is wrong to not include these UI features, it's that I've spent years and years browsing a certain way and now it feels really weird to suddenly have to do it differently.

Maybe Firefox needs to shamelessly clone Chrome's UI. Maybe when launching for the first time it asks if you want to default to Chrome Style or Firefox Style.

What I think Mozilla cannot do is hope people kind of just tolerate how weird it feels for a few weeks.

Re:Mozilla is deeply concerned about Microsoft killing EdgeHTML by warent on Friday December 07, 2018 @10:32AM (#18628463)
I use Firefox but agree with you there are some features it really bothers me that it doesn't have. For example, Chrome is actually easier to develop with because you can Shift+Right-click the refresh button to bring up a context menu for "Clear Cache + Hard Reload." In Firefox if you want to clear the cache to a certain page, you have to navigate through several windows and make like 10+ clicks. It's little things like this that put me off of Firefox, but times like that I just grit my teeth and still use it anyway just because at least I'm not selling my web browsing to a big business.
Re:Mozilla is deeply concerned about Microsoft killing EdgeHTML by detaro on Friday December 07, 2018 @10:39AM (#18628525)
Huh? You press Ctrl-Shift-E to open the dev tools to network monitor, if you don't already have it set click the checkbox for "Disable cache" (maybe there's a shortcut for that too) and press F5 to reload the page.
Re:Mozilla is deeply concerned about Microsoft killing EdgeHTML by warent on Friday December 07, 2018 @11:01AM (#18628720)
Thank you for that! My searches only yielded the following articles:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-clear-firefox-cache

https://superuser.com/questions/173210/how-can-i-clear-a-sin...

Both of which make clearing the cache very annoying.

Re:Mozilla is deeply concerned about Microsoft killing EdgeHTML by Waterluvian on Friday December 07, 2018 @10:43AM (#18628568)
So the deal is that you're not wrong. It's only sliiightly less convenient. But I think there's real, meaningful cost in things just being different. Shamelessly clone everything about the chrome UI and I'd gladly switch.

I should still try to switch again... But why does it have to be so uncomfortable? Every modern car has all the same controls in the same places. Why not browsers?

Re:Mozilla is deeply concerned about Microsoft killing EdgeHTML by detaro on Friday December 07, 2018 @10:46AM (#18628591)
And I always find Chrome dev tools annoying because they don't have that easy-to-reach cache checkbox... It's difficult if there's no clear "right answer".
Re:Mozilla is deeply concerned about Microsoft killing EdgeHTML by tzs on Friday December 07, 2018 @01:00PM (#18629919)
> Literally the only two reasons I don't use Firefox on mobile is the lack of home button and no pull down to refresh

Hmm...I have a similar complaint about desktop (MacOS).

The lack of a good "home" keyboard shortcut greatly irks me. The "home" keyboard shortcut, option + home, only actually works if the focus is not in something that takes text input. If the focus is in a text input field on the page, or in the "Find in This Page..." input field, or in the address bar, the "home" shortcut is ignored.

Chrome's and Safari's "home" keyboard shortcuts work as expected.

That, and Firefox having the worst spell checking by far of the major browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Edge, Safari) on both Mac and Windows, has had me close to switching to Chrome.