>Rational arguments like yours are not what I'm talking about. When I say fascist/totalitarian/neo-Nazi ideology, I mean exactly that and nothing short of that.

But I've been in tech all my life and I haven't experienced any neo-nazi ideology within it. Neither have any of my friends. Sure you're not exaggerating?

Nope.

I do have to add though that all human experiences suffer from the curse of small sample size. I guess a more rational takeaway from my comments would be that the liberal bias in tech is not as universal as some people would think, and that the extreme hard right does have a presence in tech.

That's why it's hard for me to take your claim seriously, your sample size is too small.

And while mysogyny, sexism, racism, and even hardcore violence "exists" in tech, it is FAR more prevalent in hip hop circles ( http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/ ).

So you're going to be just as hard about this with rappers, right?

I was responding to the claim that tech exclusively leans progressive and offering my own observations and experiences to the contrary.

As for rappers-- you're right, but rap doesn't have a progressive public image at least insofar as womens' issues are concerned. As far as I can remember the rap scene has always been criticized as full of misogyny.

Well, that's an strawman argument then. Nothing EXCLUSIVELY leans in any ONE direction, you can always find examples to the contrary if you look hard enough. But the claim that tech circles, particularly in silicon valley, leans progressive on social issues in any "by-and-large" way is a true statement.

Sure, no test is perfect, just like a handful of high BMI people are really body builders. But the correlation between IQ scores, other standardized test scores, career/education achievement, and general life outcomes is very strong. Many IQ tests are culture-free where the subject manipulates abstract shapes. If the tests were developed by biased racists, why do Chinese kids who hardly speak a word of English perform better than white Americans?

I think the recent rise in online fascism and racism is because activists force normal people to deny the reality they see and live every day. Otherwise they're shouted down as racist, white supremacist, misogynist, have their jobs threatened by online mobs, and so on. Like Captain Picard defiantly insisting there are four lights, they seek places where they can speak their truth.

When everyone who speaks against blank slateism, cultural relativism, and white privilege gets shouted down, these places only exist underground, in unmoderated spaces. They're quite seductive and even reasonable at first: Men and women are a little different; Unlimited unskilled immigration can hurt a country; Cultures that engage in female genital mutilation are bad; Nuclear families produce better outcomes for children; Being overweight is unhealthy and unattractive; It's not a problem if Google has a lot of Asian men working there.

"Wow, I've finally found a place where people aren't lying to my face all day" they think. But since they're unmoderated, things quickly take a more sinister turn: [Race or religion] is responsible for all our problems; Gays are degenerate; All women are whores; Build the wall; Naziism gives your life meaning; Violence is the answer.

I think if we let up a bit on the over-moderation, online mobbing, calling people racists thing, most sane people would never seek those spaces to begin with.

That's not how it unfolded. The Nazi craziness came before the deplatforming, and caused it.

Do you have examples of this? I know teens on 4Chan and video games were ironically/ignorantly spamming racial slurs a decade ago, but the rise of legitimate, serious neo-fascism and Nazi beliefs feels like a recent development around the last election. The activist left agitation has been going on far longer. When I was in college circa early 2000s, we were indoctrinated that only whites can be racist (privilege + power), hooking up after a couple beers is date rape, etc.

FWIW, I've really enjoyed discussing this with you. Most people who disagree with me are very aggressive and resort to insult rather than an honest two-way conversation. The thing you said about eliminating prejudice is especially important. Even though I believe people in America enjoy some of the least biased treatment in all of human history, there are still problems like corporations shielding executives from serious sexual harassment claims and police brutality against unarmed minorities. We can, and should, do better.

Anyway I still have a hard time buying that tech is a prejudiced place run by privileged, straight, white, Christian men: Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella are Indian, with tan skin and a totally foreign culture to most Americans, yet they run Google and Microsoft. Larry and Sergey are descendants of Eastern European Jewish immigrants. Sandberg is a Jewish woman in a high-level, power position at Facebook. Tim Cook is openly gay. These people are in the highest level positions running some of the most valuable companies in the entire world.

So you believe both

1) IQ is a good measure of aptitude

2) White people have higher IQs

Congratulations you are a white supremacist.

Technically, supreme would imply the highest, but even if he believed that, why is it a problem (aside from being inaccurate)?

Certain groups of black men are taller and stronger, on average, than any other sub-population of humans. When I watch the NBA, which selects for the far-far-right tail of the distribution in height and strength, it's not surprising that an astonishingly large majority of players are drawn from those groups. I'm not surprised to see zero women. I'm not surprised to see very few white men, and even fewer Asian men able to compete at that level.

Does that make me a black supremacist or something?

It’s only a problem if you’re wrong.