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Re:Eviation’s Alice is an all-electric, nine-person aircraft by reacharavindh on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @05:31AM (#18607091)
The article makes it sound like it is made from commoditised components of today.

Given how similar it sounds to that of a Tesla Model S + SpaceX - Battery, Electric motor, propeller and such, Why wouldn't Tesla attempt such a thing based on components they already build for Tesla or SpaceX?

Re:Eviation’s Alice is an all-electric, nine-person aircraft by Beltiras on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:24AM (#18608404)
While on Joe Rogan's podcast Elon Musk did say he had the design for a VTOL electric plane that regained the energy used for lift on descent. I was a little bit more than intrigued by that.
Re:Eviation’s Alice is an all-electric, nine-person aircraft by captainperl on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:23PM (#18614851)
Airplanes always get most of the energy from ascent back in descent.

VTOL will get less back because it's grossly inefficient.

Note that drag needs to be deducted from the potential energy. There's parasitic and induced drag.

Re:Eviation’s Alice is an all-electric, nine-person aircraft by lmm on Thursday December 06, 2018 @09:52AM (#18618439)
> Airplanes always get most of the energy from ascent back in descent.

Given that the aeroplane ends up stopped on the tarmac at (approximately) sea level with (approximately) empty tanks, how so? A bit of heat I suppose but that's not usable. I'd say current aeroplanes generally deliberately dump energy to the environment (via deliberately increased drag, spoilers etc.) during descent, no?

Re:Eviation’s Alice is an all-electric, nine-person aircraft by DennisP on Thursday December 06, 2018 @10:05AM (#18618527)
They're not recharging batteries but they are extending range. The whole time they're descending, they're moving forward and overcoming air resistance, without needing as much fuel as if they were flying level the same distance and altitudes.

I think that compared to energy expenditure X in level flight at cruising altitude, the aircraft would expend X+Y in the climb and a little less than X-Y in the descent, assuming all horizontal distances are the same.

To the extent that they deliberately increase drag, that wouldn't hold true, but I'm guessing that's mostly on final approach.

Re:Eviation’s Alice is an all-electric, nine-person aircraft by Beltiras on Thursday December 06, 2018 @09:42AM (#18618371)
His context was that the energy was returned to the battery, not in the laws-of-thermodynamics sense.
Re:Eviation’s Alice is an all-electric, nine-person aircraft by skykooler on Thursday December 06, 2018 @09:53AM (#18618451)
What, so he was serious in Iron Man 2?
Re:Eviation’s Alice is an all-electric, nine-person aircraft by woah on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @08:26AM (#18607968)
Why doesn’t Tesla make flashlights too?
Re:Eviation’s Alice is an all-electric, nine-person aircraft by briandear on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:15PM (#18614807)
Tesla should focus on building cars first. They have enough supply chain issues that getting into the general aviation market would be spreading far too thin.