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Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by sametmax on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:19AM (#18598715)
> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too.

It seems very unlikely:

- Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding.

- Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal. It always has been. They are not perfect, but their track record is damn good compared to almost any player of their size and impact in the tech world.

- Mozilla strongly invested in their own tech, including rewritting the browser rendering engine and taking huge risks such as create a bloody hole new language, rust, in the process. To my knowledge, the "oxydation" project has been a success so far, and rust is proving everyday that it's a positive force in the world as well.

- Firefox is the only decent mobile browser. I can't navigate the web without the ublock extension. I just can't.

- Mozilla keeps innovating. Their last brillant idea, the tab container, is worth switching on it's own.

- Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again.

- Privacy concerns are (FINALLY !) being taken in consideration from the crowd. And Chrome is terrible at this, so moving to a chromium core, while technically not related at all because you can set it up the way you like, would carry the stigma.

All in all, I'm incredibly optimistic about Mozilla et Firefox's future despite the market share taking a serious hit.

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by daveheq on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:05PM (#18603595)
Do you mean uBlock Origin, or the scam extension uBlock?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock/review...

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by gdfasfklshg4 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @08:48AM (#18599355)
> Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again.

I use Firefox. I always have. My experience is totally different to yours. Before FF57 it was a single process and it ran nicely on a 4GB machine with a 2009 Intel Atom processor. Afterwards it became much hungrier for memory and processor. I had to buy a new computer. (I tried Chrome of course but it is hungrier.)

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by sametmax on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @09:13AM (#18599529)
I said "during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product", compared to the competition, not anterior version of itself.

The later is a more complicated matter, as it was 10 years ago, with different expectations, hardware, user base and web.

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by gdfasfklshg4 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:06AM (#18608243)
And I pointed out that prior to v57 FF was a clearly superior product to the competition for me. For me FF v52 was also superior to v57. Sadly v52 is now out of support and the result is that I had to get a new computer.

For me the order of utility is FF pre v57 > FF post v57 > Chromium based browsers.

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by seba_dos1 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @11:53AM (#18601143)
The multiprocess architecture makes it run faster on newer machines, but slower on older ones. Have you tried disabling it (limiting to one process) though?
Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by Endy on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:47PM (#18604853)
They've disabled that setting.
Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by seba_dos1 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @09:26PM (#18605258)
Not sure if I can disable electrolysis altogether, but I sure still can limit it to one content process, even from the GUI.
Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by tssva on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:01AM (#18599953)
>Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again.

This is not my experience. On my MacBook Pro it is slow and tends to cause system lockups on a regular basis. Everytime there is a new announcement about how the new Firefox has improved performance and stability I give it a try and each time am disappointed.

On my phone the Firefox browser is almost unusably slow and slow enough that it can't replace Chrome. Mozilla has released other mobile browsers which perform faster but they lack the features I need in my browser.

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by davemp on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:48AM (#18600430)
If one doesn't want to rely on anecdata, here [1] is a benchmark. Based on my experience and this benchmark, I don't how such a negative opinion can be supported.

[1]: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3213031/computers/best-web-b...

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by godzillabrennus on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @02:50AM (#18606406)
Clearly Edge isn't a terrible engine. Why wouldn't Microsoft just open source it instead of switching to Chromium?
Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by davemp on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @06:04AM (#18607251)
I’m not sure, but I’m forced to use edge at work. There are a litany of details that annoy me about the browser—speed not being one.

Likely some suit just presented a convincing PowerPoint on how MS could save some dosh.

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by bluejekyll on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @11:22AM (#18600808)
I don’t experience any lockup’s. I switched to Firefox as my main browser on Linux and macOS over a year ago full time. Google Meet finally works properly with it, so I don’t even have to use chrome for that last thing.

I don’t know what you’re doing, but I’ve never had a lockup in that entire time (and I run Beta), as far as I can tell, it is the fastest of all my options.

The very last thing that I notice any difference on is energy usage, for which Safari is still king. I don’t use Firefox on my iPhone, as there’s not much point (I wish Apple would change their restriction here).

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by r00fus on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @12:05AM (#18605806)
My anecdotal experience shows a) less of a battery hog than Chrome for like 40-50 tabs b) now works with all my sites (exception being Google drive share box has blinky UI) c) it doesn't keep begging me to "sign in"

For this it's become my main work browser. At home I mainly use safari and it works great for 15-ish tabs.

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by demarq on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @11:10AM (#18600669)
Same here, I see a whole lot of marketing and people saying it is fast, but 10 minutes into trying it seems to just struggle.

Watching youtube in 1080p it struggles and CPU goes up, fans are on.

Scrolling Heavy e-commerce sites (amazon, jumia)... CPU goes up, fans are on.

Yet, run chrome on these same sites, with the same settings and no fan noises/frezes at all.

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by seba_dos1 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @11:58AM (#18601191)
I seem to recall that there was a bug on macOS which made it eat too much CPU on non-native screen resolutions (UI scaling) for some reason, which likely explains drastic differences in how people perceive Firefox there.
Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by mises on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:11AM (#18600046)
Agree about the tab container. Incredibly useful.
Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by listic on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @08:24AM (#18599184)
Does mobile Firefox come with Ublock Origin built-in?
Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by AsyncAwait on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @08:36AM (#18599266)
Not built in, but you can install it as easily as on the desktop.
Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by AnaniasAnanas on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:35AM (#18598824)
> - Privacy concerns are (FINALLY !) being taken in consideration from the crowd

I don't know how true this is when considering all the calling-home (split over multiple settings in about:config making it difficult to disable) in modern firefox versions.

> Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side.

A lot of geeks are moving away from it to forks or to other browsers like qutebrowser, which actually makes senses considering that mozilla keeps trying to sabotage the poweruser demographic.

Re:Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge ... by sametmax on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:46AM (#18598886)
> I don't know how true this is when considering all the calling-home (split over multiple settings in about:config making it difficult to disable) in modern firefox versions.

I agree but between a broken leg and cancer, you choose the broken leg.

> A lot of geeks are moving away from it to forks or to other browsers like qutebrowser, which actually makes senses considering that mozilla keeps trying to sabotage the poweruser demographic.

This has always been the case. We try alternatives, that's what we do. It's sane, and no matter Mozilla's behavior, we would do it.