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Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by WalterBright on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:59AM (#18597654)
> there should always be a space for government-funded programming and art

Government funded art doesn't make it pure art, it makes it art that serves the political aims of the bureaucrats charged with doling out the money.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by campbellmorgan on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:13AM (#18597743)
Absolutely. But I for one would rather live in a world that had the diversity of both private and state-funded art, each with their own biases. Surely that's better than the single influence of the market?
Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by WalterBright on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:31AM (#18597840)
Consider the explosion of music that's available. AFAIK, none of it is funded by the government, yet there's music for every conceivable taste.

Almost no two people have the same taste in art, and what they're willing to pay for.

I doubt you'd be living in a world that doesn't have art you like if the government didn't fund it.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by dagw on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:53AM (#18597964)
AFAIK, none of it is funded by the government

Virtually all governments all over the world have various arts funding schemes that covers music.

That being said I have no strong opinion either way on if that's a good thing or if the music funded this wouldn't have been funded some other way if those schemes hadn't existed

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by WalterBright on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:11AM (#18598053)
I know the local concert hall gets some funding from the government for performances. I don't think it funds composers.
Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by dagw on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:30AM (#18598139)
I don't think it funds composers.

What country are you in? Definitely if you're in the US or Europe there are plenty of places you can apply for government funding if you're a composer.

Also if the government is funding the concert hall and that funding lets the concert hall put on work by and pay a composer, at what point does it stop being government funding?

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by WalterBright on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @06:00AM (#18598272)
Just out of curiosity, can you name a CD produced in the US by a composer paid by the government to compose?

> at what point does it stop being government funding?

It's a good question, and I replied to that in another comment.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by foldr on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:20AM (#18598726)
Why does there have to be a CD? Music ≠ recorded music.

http://www.playbill.com/article/national-endowment-of-the-ar...

https://www.musicofremembrance.org/news/national-endowment-a...

If you specifically want an example of a grant being awarded to a composer for the purposes of composing a new piece, see here:

https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwclassical/article/Chicago-P...

"The Chicago Philharmonic Society has been named the recipient of a $10,000 Art Works grant from the National Endowment for the Arts. The award will support a collaboration between The Chicago Philharmonic Society, composer Augusta Read Thomas, and Chicago-based percussion ensemble Third Coast Percussion for the creation and performance of a new work for percussion quartet and orchestra. The premiere will be presented in fall 2017 as part of the Chicago Philharmonic's 2017-2018 symphonic season."

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by dagw on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:40AM (#18598859)
Just out of curiosity, can you name a CD produced in the US by a composer paid by the government to compose?

No, but if really I wanted to find one I'd probably start by looking here: https://www.arts.gov/ and then continue looking at smaller and more local arts grants. Also I'm sure that at some point some part of the government has commissioned new music for some project or event, although it's quite possible that that music has never been released on a CD.

But again it's all down to how you draw the line. Are you asking if there are composers on the federal payroll or if a composer has ever won a government grant and uses the money for that grant to pay his rent while continuing to compose?

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by berkmayer on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:44AM (#18597907)
You can see you are asking people to fund art that bureaucrats support or go to jail, right?
Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by dagw on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:48AM (#18597937)
Government funded art doesn't make it pure art

Sure, but it's no less pure than art funded by a private benefactor or patron.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by WalterBright on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:13AM (#18598063)
What percentage of the CDs you own were government funded? (Or MP3's on your player.)
Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by pjc50 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:58AM (#18598257)
You'd be surprised. There's a reason there's a band called UB40. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/dole-queue-blues-that-gav...

(not "government funded" in the grant sense, but the old UK unemployment benefit worked a lot more like a basic income)

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by WalterBright on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @06:03AM (#18598281)
I wouldn't call that government funding of art. They were not given money in exchange for producing art. They were just given money.
Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by dagw on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:24AM (#18598108)
I haven't got the slightest clue, nor do I care.

And more importantly what do you mean by funded? If the local council offer free or subsidized rehearsal space to local up and coming bands, is the album they created there "government funded"?

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by WalterBright on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:58AM (#18598260)
I'd say no. But some people would say that the road the band used to drive around was government funded, therefore their music is. I don't agree with them.

I'd say government funding is when the government pays money to a specific artist to produce art. Like when a record company decides to pay a band to produce an album, or a publisher decides to give an advance to an author to write a book.

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by SyneRyder on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:34AM (#18598821)
Australian here - I just discovered today that our current right/conservative government has a program where artists can receive a $15,000 grant to record their album [1], and the left/progressive opposition has pledged to double the number of grant recipients if elected [2]. I can't say I've heard of any of the 2017 grant recipients.

[1] http://www.australiacouncil.gov.au/news/media-centre/media-r...

[2] https://www.theindustryobserver.com.au/labor-promises-28m-fo...

Re:YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M by dagw on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:43AM (#18598874)
Don't know about the US, but in the EU I know there are grants you can apply for to help cover the cost of recording an album.