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Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by __d on Sunday December 02, 2018 @11:42PM (#18586366)
Does that apply to online banking as well?

If it's legitimate for a bank to hide your data behind a username and password, how is a journalism-provider any different?

Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by cipherzero on Monday December 03, 2018 @12:09AM (#18586456)
Does your bank allow your account to be indexed by google?
Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by __d on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:09PM (#18593027)
No.

So is that's your fundamental issue with a paywall? Anything that's available to Google (and Bing, DDG, etc) should also be available to you at no cost?

Restating that from the other perspective: if the information isn't universally available for no cost, it cannot be looked up via a search engine?

Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by cipherzero on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:28PM (#18593265)
Uh yeah. I'm assuming you know how HTTP works, but if not, _basically_ you send a request to GET content, and the server makes a decision on what/whether or not to return. If that user shouldn't be able to see the content because they haven't logged in then its up to the server to decide.

It's crazy to send them the content but tell them not to read it... back to your example would you expect your bank to do that? Here's all the account details and transactions but oops thats not your account. I'm guessing no, you'd hold your bank to a high technical standard.

To be clear, if newspapers/journalists want to work out some special agreement with google (or partner/agreed upon indexers) so their requests are authenticated so that only they have access to the content - i think that is a better solution then pay walls and sending the article and saying "don't read this please"

Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by __d on Monday December 03, 2018 @10:54PM (#18596064)
I agree: it's a crazy strategy. And you're correct: if my bank sent my details to someone with a half-baked attempt to prevent them accessing the data they were given, I'd be getting a new bank.

But regardless of how crazy this scheme is, I don't think it justifies taking advantage of that craziness to unwrap such content.

I think it's reasonable to question the approach of banning the plugin too: the problem is the users' choice to use the plugin, not making it available. But ... when there's no justifiable use for the plugin, and the author clearly intends it to be used to view unauthorized content ... I can see that it's an attractive strategy to just ban it.

Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by realusername on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:31AM (#18587732)
because there's no username and passwords for paywalls...
Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by __d on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:05PM (#18592981)
The ones I'm thinking of (eg. NYTimes, WaPo, WSJ, etc) are all username/password.

What kind of paywall are you thinking of?

Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by cipherzero on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:32PM (#18593301)
How do you think this add on was working? do you think it was brute forcing the password of all the sites you were thinking of?
Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by __d on Monday December 03, 2018 @10:43PM (#18595999)
I'm less concerned with the implementation than I am with the principle.

In principle, I have reservations about exposing content to search engines but then requiring payment to read it. Especially if it's non-trivial to filter out the sources that require payment.

But a plugin which works around an attempt to restrict visibility of content to those who've paid for it ... I thnk the intent here is wrong.

I think it's ok to have information that's only accessible to a restricted set of viewers.

It's not that it's not possible. It's not that the implementations aren't dumb. It's that the principle of "if I want it, and I can do it, then it's ok" doesn't really hold up, IMO.

Re:Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons by realusername on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:57AM (#18616684)
They just bypass the paywalls by pretending they are google, there's no username or password involved.