Please don't post any more flamewar comments to Hacker News. They're what we're trying to avoid here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I have no idea what you are getting at, but I can say both when it comes to phones and computers, the integrated offerings from Google is better than any other Android phone and being able to get an update for iOS the day it comes out instead of waiting for the carrier and OEM are much better experiences.

The question is In your opinion we should only have integrated "experiences"? aka should MS and Google pull an Apple and not sell the software to the customers , but sell you the hardware with the software included ?